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Simple Torture wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Leatherhead wrote:
I really don't care at all about a stupid flag. It's just a damn symbol made out of some fabric.
Seriously
Jean Baudrillard would like to have a word with you guys.
Leonard Peltier would like to have a word with Jean Baudrillard.
I was half just joshing you guys (mostly Leatherhead), but I Googled that guy and don't really know what he has to do with anything here.
It's ok, I had to google Jean Baudrillard. But if he's a guy who believes the symbol of the US flag has great importance, then a Native American who A) had his ancestors rights trampled by the US gov't and then B) he himself was railroaded on a bullshit murder charge would probably beg to differ.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Leatherhead wrote:
I really don't care at all about a stupid flag. It's just a damn symbol made out of some fabric.
Seriously
Jean Baudrillard would like to have a word with you guys.
Leonard Peltier would like to have a word with Jean Baudrillard.
I was half just joshing you guys (mostly Leatherhead), but I Googled that guy and don't really know what he has to do with anything here.
It's ok, I had to google Jean Baudrillard. But if he's a guy who believes the symbol of the US flag has great importance, then a Native American who A) had his ancestors rights trampled by the US gov't and then B) he himself was railroaded on a bullshit murder charge would probably beg to differ.
Oh, Baudrillard is basically the opposite. Sort of. He was a post-structuralist philosopher who argued that society had been fundamentally changed by the way symbols had come to be accepted as the thing they stood for instead of being seen as standing for something. It's the difference between saying, "My great grandpappy died for what the flag represents" (an understanding that it's simply a symbol) vs. saying, "My great grandpappy died for the flag" (which doesn't acknowledge its symbol-ness). As certain interpretations of symbols begin to take hold as being "real" (especially in language and representation), we lose the ability to get in touch with and interact with the real. So he'd take issue with the statement "It's just a damn symbol made out of some fabric," and would rather us say "It's just some fabric that lots of people have decided is a symbol" (but he'd stress that it's impossible to make a judgment call about what the flag "really" means).
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 46872 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
Simple Torture wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Simple Torture wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Leatherhead wrote:
I really don't care at all about a stupid flag. It's just a damn symbol made out of some fabric.
Seriously
Jean Baudrillard would like to have a word with you guys.
Leonard Peltier would like to have a word with Jean Baudrillard.
I was half just joshing you guys (mostly Leatherhead), but I Googled that guy and don't really know what he has to do with anything here.
It's ok, I had to google Jean Baudrillard. But if he's a guy who believes the symbol of the US flag has great importance, then a Native American who A) had his ancestors rights trampled by the US gov't and then B) he himself was railroaded on a bullshit murder charge would probably beg to differ.
Oh, Baudrillard is basically the opposite. Sort of. He was a post-structuralist philosopher who argued that society had been fundamentally changed by the way symbols had come to be accepted as the thing they stood for instead of being seen as standing for something. It's the difference between saying, "My great grandpappy died for what the flag represents" (an understanding that it's simply a symbol) vs. saying, "My great grandpappy died for the flag" (which doesn't acknowledge its symbol-ness). As certain interpretations of symbols begin to take hold as being "real" (especially in language and representation), we lose the ability to get in touch with and interact with the real. So he'd take issue with the statement "It's just a damn symbol made out of some fabric," and would rather us say "It's just some fabric that lots of people have decided is a symbol" (but he'd stress that it's impossible to make a judgment call about what the flag "really" means).
tl;dr: we actually agree, trag.
Sweet. My quick read of wiki made me think the opposite.
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