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I wonder if Mike Watt created the haves for Tim Burton directed remake of Juliet and Romeo that was scrapped sold it to the Watt kid who then shopped it to The Week End who then passed on it.
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Jorge wrote:
"Why don't you know that I know When you're hurting after all these years, I know Like Siamese twins I can feel every one of your senses We're just the same Unconditional love, easier said Said than done"
Come on. If you want to focus on the lyrics and make that the only prism through which you judge the songs, okay, then look at the execution rather than just motioning vaguely at the sentiment. This is trash
I have never felt so solidly worried for Pearl Jam’s future than now. It could just be misplaced due to directions Eddie Vedder is taking with his solo career but when you combine that short maybe month period where Vedder released The Haves as a single and then announced a short tour where you had to be a Have just to enter the lottery to possibly be chosen for a ticket that would cost nearly $500 for a pair of tickets, it seemed like this was the breaking point. Brother the Cloud might have very short term relaxed some of that anxiety but I feel less hopeful that the same person who is putting the kind of shine on Eddie that grocery stores put on their apples to make them look tastier than they are is going to produce a Pearl Jam record is deeply concerning.
I have never felt so solidly worried for Pearl Jam’s future than now. It could just be misplaced due to directions Eddie Vedder is taking with his solo career but when you combine that short maybe month period where Vedder released The Haves as a single and then announced a short tour where you had to be a Have just to enter the lottery to possibly be chosen for a ticket that would cost nearly $500 for a pair of tickets, it seemed like this was the breaking point. Brother the Cloud might have very short term relaxed some of that anxiety but I feel less hopeful that the same person who is putting the kind of shine on Eddie that grocery stores put on their apples to make them look tastier than they are is going to produce a Pearl Jam record is deeply concerning.
At least Can’t Deny Me tried even if it failed.
Gigaton is great and they killed it at their live shows last fall. They'll be fine.
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The Haves has grown on me a little, I don’t dislike it as much. I heard Brother the Cloud on the Sirius channel and enjoyed it one the first listen. No doubt I will buy the record but how much I play it is very much wait and see.
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Ugh, I can’t believe you’ve got me thinking about this.
This is like a reverse Sophie’s Choice. I’ll take The Haves over CDM. It’s less grating. Ed sounds like he’s going to shit himself on CDM.
CDM strikes me as far more disingenuous and lazy than The Haves. I get the sense that Ed is genuine about what he’s trying to express in The Haves, he just fails miserably at it for all the reasons others noted here. Ed is trying to put effort and soul into The Haves. CDM is a soulless abomination. It comes off as the band reluctantly making a song because they think they have to.
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Fattie_Vedder wrote:
Ugh, I can’t believe you’ve got me thinking about this.
This is like a reverse Sophie’s Choice. I’ll take The Haves over CDM. It’s less grating. Ed sounds like he’s going to shit himself on CDM.
CDM strikes me as far more disingenuous and lazy than The Haves. I get the sense that Ed is genuine about what he’s trying to express in The Haves, he just fails miserably at it for all the reasons others noted here. Ed is trying to put effort and soul into The Haves. CDM is a soulless abomination. It comes off as the band reluctantly making a song because they think they have to.
Yeah this is my take too. I’ll take genuine shit over fake shit any day.
yeah, i think the main reason everyone hates it is because it was a lead single for an album that ultimately didnt happen.
I don't hate it because the album didn't happen. I hate it because it was completely uninspiring after a long 5 year wait from what i deem to be the worst Pearl Jam album.
For the first time in my life it made me feel like the band was more or less done putting out anything interesting or even remotely challenging...its associating that "feeling" with CDM more than almost anything else that makes me just hate it.
The Haves on the other hand is just low stakes to me. Not liking it doesn't really mean anything.
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