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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri October 02, 2020 6:50 pm
Classic B
Joined: Wed December 19, 2012 9:53 pm Posts: 16452 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA
simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I can't imagine this will be long lived, but after the Sandia Labs kerfuffle, it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types...
"it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types ... " - Men, when they started Sexual Harassment trainings.
CRT trainings where you segregate employees by race is not exactly the same thing as sexual harassment training.
Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri October 02, 2020 7:18 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 3:41 am Posts: 2794
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I can't imagine this will be long lived, but after the Sandia Labs kerfuffle, it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types...
"it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types ... " - Men, when they started Sexual Harassment trainings.
CRT trainings where you segregate employees by race is not exactly the same thing as sexual harassment training.
But I'm not sure why anyone would be broken into race groups. Sounds like a "hire new trainers" situation.
Its entirely consistent with CRT and is what occured at Sandia Labs (allegedly). To have BIPOC individuals listen to their white colleagues "do the work" is emotional labor. Its taxing and unfair to them.
Hence breaking the group into ethnically based struggle sessions:
Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri October 02, 2020 7:26 pm
Classic B
Joined: Wed December 19, 2012 9:53 pm Posts: 16452 Location: Chapel Hill, NC, USA
simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I can't imagine this will be long lived, but after the Sandia Labs kerfuffle, it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types...
"it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types ... " - Men, when they started Sexual Harassment trainings.
CRT trainings where you segregate employees by race is not exactly the same thing as sexual harassment training.
But I'm not sure why anyone would be broken into race groups. Sounds like a "hire new trainers" situation.
Its entirely consistent with CRT and is what occured at Sandia Labs (allegedly). To have BIPOC individuals listen to their white colleagues "do the work" is emotional labor. Its taxing and unfair to them.
Hence breaking the group into ethnically based struggle sessions:
OK, so I've heard that. But again, Trump didn't replace this with a different theory of diversity or sensitivity training. He just cancelled everything.
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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri October 02, 2020 7:43 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 3:41 am Posts: 2794
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I can't imagine this will be long lived, but after the Sandia Labs kerfuffle, it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types...
"it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types ... " - Men, when they started Sexual Harassment trainings.
CRT trainings where you segregate employees by race is not exactly the same thing as sexual harassment training.
But I'm not sure why anyone would be broken into race groups. Sounds like a "hire new trainers" situation.
Its entirely consistent with CRT and is what occured at Sandia Labs (allegedly). To have BIPOC individuals listen to their white colleagues "do the work" is emotional labor. Its taxing and unfair to them.
Hence breaking the group into ethnically based struggle sessions:
OK, so I've heard that. But again, Trump didn't replace this with a different theory of diversity or sensitivity training. He just cancelled everything.
What are these trainings supposed to accomplish? Implicit Bias training tends to make things worse. If your workplace needs diversity or sensitivity training, it sounds like someone already should have been fired.
Should it just be rattling off a list of protected classes? Explain who you can be a dick to without getting fired or causing liability for your employer?
I'm 99 percent certain whatever the argument for why CRT training is valuable will end up being some Motte and Bailey BS about what the simplistic, high minded "just be considerate" version of CRT as opposed to what it IS.
Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri October 02, 2020 9:25 pm
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simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I can't imagine this will be long lived, but after the Sandia Labs kerfuffle, it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types...
"it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types ... " - Men, when they started Sexual Harassment trainings.
CRT trainings where you segregate employees by race is not exactly the same thing as sexual harassment training.
But I'm not sure why anyone would be broken into race groups. Sounds like a "hire new trainers" situation.
Its entirely consistent with CRT and is what occured at Sandia Labs (allegedly). To have BIPOC individuals listen to their white colleagues "do the work" is emotional labor. Its taxing and unfair to them.
Hence breaking the group into ethnically based struggle sessions:
OK, so I've heard that. But again, Trump didn't replace this with a different theory of diversity or sensitivity training. He just cancelled everything.
What are these trainings supposed to accomplish? Implicit Bias training tends to make things worse. If your workplace needs diversity or sensitivity training, it sounds like someone already should have been fired.
Should it just be rattling off a list of protected classes? Explain who you can be a dick to without getting fired or causing liability for your employer?
I'm 99 percent certain whatever the argument for why CRT training is valuable will end up being some Motte and Bailey BS about what the simplistic, high minded "just be considerate" version of CRT as opposed to what it IS.
I admit I had to google Motte and Bailey
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Post subject: Re: Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism
Posted: Fri October 02, 2020 11:01 pm
An enigma of a man shaped hole in the wall between reality and the soul of the devil.
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 5:13 pm Posts: 44229 Location: 6000 feet beyond man and time.
Bammer wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
B wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
I can't imagine this will be long lived, but after the Sandia Labs kerfuffle, it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types...
"it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.
Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types ... " - Men, when they started Sexual Harassment trainings.
CRT trainings where you segregate employees by race is not exactly the same thing as sexual harassment training.
But I'm not sure why anyone would be broken into race groups. Sounds like a "hire new trainers" situation.
Its entirely consistent with CRT and is what occured at Sandia Labs (allegedly). To have BIPOC individuals listen to their white colleagues "do the work" is emotional labor. Its taxing and unfair to them.
Hence breaking the group into ethnically based struggle sessions:
OK, so I've heard that. But again, Trump didn't replace this with a different theory of diversity or sensitivity training. He just cancelled everything.
What are these trainings supposed to accomplish? Implicit Bias training tends to make things worse. If your workplace needs diversity or sensitivity training, it sounds like someone already should have been fired.
Should it just be rattling off a list of protected classes? Explain who you can be a dick to without getting fired or causing liability for your employer?
I'm 99 percent certain whatever the argument for why CRT training is valuable will end up being some Motte and Bailey BS about what the simplistic, high minded "just be considerate" version of CRT as opposed to what it IS.
I admit I had to google Motte and Bailey
Dedicate it to memory. Its a very popular tactic.
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