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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Thu July 30, 2020 4:43 pm
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4/5 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Why would it go to the House rather than both chambers of Congress? And if it is just the House, wouldn't that be a pointless endgame for Trump?
Not if the argument could be made that Pelosi et al. were biased and corrupt and poopy-heads.
but why would that matter if the House gets the final say? So a bunch Trump voters will be disenfranchised...Regardless of my personal beliefs about that, that would still just be another loss of the red team.
Key thing is that it's not a vote of the 435 members of the House. Each state has one vote. So the representatives from each state would essentially vote together and then cast a single for their state. First one to 26 votes wins.
oh, that's crazy. Large rural states with democratic urban areas would submit a Republican vote then. Thanks for the clarification on this.
Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Thu July 30, 2020 5:55 pm
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Alright, let's count to 26 based solely on the higher number of current reps in a given party per state:
AK - DT AL - DT AR - DT AZ - DT CA - JB CO - JB CT - JB DE - JB FL - DT GA - DT (no John Lewis, though it wouldn't have changed my rudimentary guessing) HI - JB IA - JB ID - DT IL - JB IN - DT KS - DT KY - DT LA - DT MA - JB MD - JB ME - JB MI - JB (if Amash sides with Dems) MN - JB MO - DT MS - DT MT - DT NC - DT ND - DT NE - DT NH - JB NJ - JB NM - JB NV - JB NY - JB OH - DT OK - DT OR - JB PA - DT RI - JB SC - DT SD - DT TN - DT TX - DT UT - DT VA - JB VT - JB WA - JB WI - DT WV - DT WY - DT (unless Liz Cheney wants to go with Dems)
DT is re-elected with 28 states' reps in the House backing him.
Do Puerto Rico, Vir. Isl., Guam, N. Mariana Isl., American Somoa, and D.C. count in this?
Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Thu July 30, 2020 8:28 pm
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elliseamos wrote:
Do Puerto Rico, Vir. Isl., Guam, N. Mariana Isl., American Somoa, and D.C. count in this?
Definitely no to the first five since they don't ever count in the presidential election. D.C. is an interesting case because they aren't a state, don't have voting members of the House, but they can participate in presidential elections. So I don't know the answer. I think the Supreme Court would have to decide. Here's the relevant passages in the Constitution:
12th Amendment wrote:
and if no person have such majority, then from the persons having the highest numbers not exceeding three on the list of those voted for as President, the House of Representatives shall choose immediately, by ballot, the President. But in choosing the President, the votes shall be taken by states, the representation from each state having one vote; a quorum for this purpose shall consist of a member or members from two-thirds of the states, and a majority of all the states shall be necessary to a choice.
The 23rd Amendment allowed D.C. to have electoral votes, but doesn't specifically clarify their role in an election that gets thrown to the House.
23rd Amendment wrote:
A number of electors of President and Vice President equal to the whole number of Senators and Representatives in Congress to which the District would be entitled if it were a State, but in no event more than the least populous State; they shall be in addition to those appointed by the States, but they shall be considered, for the purposes of the election of President and Vice President, to be electors appointed by a State; and they shall meet in the District and perform such duties as provided by the twelfth article of amendment.
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Fri July 31, 2020 3:30 pm
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Joined: Sat January 05, 2013 1:57 pm Posts: 32485 Location: Where everybody knows your name
So, his feigned concern for the welfare of our citizens is his reasoning behind wanting to out off the election. Too unsafe. Yet, it’s safe enough to hold rallies. It’s safe enough for our kids to go back to school. I guess that makes sense.
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Fri July 31, 2020 5:46 pm
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McParadigm wrote:
Rob wrote:
Hasn't RM already determined that elections are run by the states themselves and can't be postponed by the federal government?
You don’t need a delay for this to be a disaster. You only need the added chaos and confusion of millions of Americans believing that you didn’t delay because it was part of a ploy to steal the election from them. And having the attorney general tacitly breathing credibility into the idea is extra bad.
McParadigm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Has this ever happened? Even during one of the WWs?
Not even during the Civil War. I’m mostly concerned for whether or not Fox and others will advocate for it in response. The president can’t delay an election, but trying to run elections while 20 million people believe you’re rushing through to “steal” it from them will go poorly for all of us.
New Yahoo News/YouGov poll:
55% of Trump supporters say they will not accept an outcome that's very close, where Biden wins due to an advantage in mail-in votes.
Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Fri July 31, 2020 6:03 pm
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Entering the cool zone!
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its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Fri July 31, 2020 7:17 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Fri January 04, 2013 1:46 am Posts: 2837 Location: Connecticut
McParadigm wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
Rob wrote:
Hasn't RM already determined that elections are run by the states themselves and can't be postponed by the federal government?
You don’t need a delay for this to be a disaster. You only need the added chaos and confusion of millions of Americans believing that you didn’t delay because it was part of a ploy to steal the election from them. And having the attorney general tacitly breathing credibility into the idea is extra bad.
McParadigm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Has this ever happened? Even during one of the WWs?
Not even during the Civil War. I’m mostly concerned for whether or not Fox and others will advocate for it in response. The president can’t delay an election, but trying to run elections while 20 million people believe you’re rushing through to “steal” it from them will go poorly for all of us.
New Yahoo News/YouGov poll:
55% of Trump supporters say they will not accept an outcome that's very close, where Biden wins due to an advantage in mail-in votes.
For the record, I've never had a doubt that he and his supporters wouldn't make this easy. Trump complained about voter fraud in 2016, even though he freaking won. This could get ugly. Trump derangement syndrome is a real thing but it's his fans suffering from it.
Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Sat August 01, 2020 10:58 pm
Major Dude
Joined: Sat January 05, 2013 1:57 pm Posts: 32485 Location: Where everybody knows your name
Even if he was somehow impeached again and even if some miracle happened and he was removed, unless the senate added that he could never run again, he’d simply run again.
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Sun August 02, 2020 3:28 am
NEVER STOP JAMMING!
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if he delays the election
there will be millions protestors in the streets of washington dc
and they will storm the white house grounds
and tear the building down with their hands
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