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Joined: Sat January 05, 2013 1:57 pm Posts: 32435 Location: Where everybody knows your name
simple schoolboy wrote:
wease wrote:
So in the last couple of weeks, I've been filling in for some of my company's other locations. All of these that I've been to is a more urban area than where my "home" clinic is. Due to that, I've actually seen more patients that are black than I normally do in my clinic. In every case that I've had a black patient, they were exceptionally polite and adding "sir" and "ma'am" after every sentence. Now, I very, very rarely get such respect (probably not the right word) from any of our white patients. Even the nicest of the white patients come across as familiar and informal. And I started wondering if the reason the black patients were so respectful was because they were brought up to be that way towards white people (men, in particular) as a preemptive defense. Now sure, raising your kids to be respectful to everyone else is a goal we should all have but I couldn't help but feel a little guilty because as an older than them white man, maybe they instinctively responded as they were taught to in an effort to possibly survive other situations.
I don't know. I don't think I explained it very well, but it just felt wrong to me. Not that their politeness wasn't genuine, but that it was, perhaps, borne of other things.
How much of this is due to the great migration? This speech pattern is consistent with Southern manners, and this is almost certainly the way their grandparents spoke.
What region are your clinics in?
Middle TN
But WHY did their grandparents speak that way? Was it because if they didn’t say “sir” to a passing white man on the sidewalk, they were entitled to be beaten?
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So in the last couple of weeks, I've been filling in for some of my company's other locations. All of these that I've been to is a more urban area than where my "home" clinic is. Due to that, I've actually seen more patients that are black than I normally do in my clinic. In every case that I've had a black patient, they were exceptionally polite and adding "sir" and "ma'am" after every sentence. Now, I very, very rarely get such respect (probably not the right word) from any of our white patients. Even the nicest of the white patients come across as familiar and informal. And I started wondering if the reason the black patients were so respectful was because they were brought up to be that way towards white people (men, in particular) as a preemptive defense. Now sure, raising your kids to be respectful to everyone else is a goal we should all have but I couldn't help but feel a little guilty because as an older than them white man, maybe they instinctively responded as they were taught to in an effort to possibly survive other situations.
I don't know. I don't think I explained it very well, but it just felt wrong to me. Not that their politeness wasn't genuine, but that it was, perhaps, borne of other things.
How much of this is due to the great migration? This speech pattern is consistent with Southern manners, and this is almost certainly the way their grandparents spoke.
What region are your clinics in?
Middle TN
But WHY did their grandparents speak that way? Was it because if they didn’t say “sir” to a passing white man on the sidewalk, they were entitled to be beaten?
Maybe its as dark as you suppose.
Did Tennesee have much migration in the 30s and 40s for the TVA? If your demographics didn't change much it would suggest my hypothesis is incorrect.
Joined: Sat January 05, 2013 1:57 pm Posts: 32435 Location: Where everybody knows your name
simple schoolboy wrote:
wease wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
wease wrote:
So in the last couple of weeks, I've been filling in for some of my company's other locations. All of these that I've been to is a more urban area than where my "home" clinic is. Due to that, I've actually seen more patients that are black than I normally do in my clinic. In every case that I've had a black patient, they were exceptionally polite and adding "sir" and "ma'am" after every sentence. Now, I very, very rarely get such respect (probably not the right word) from any of our white patients. Even the nicest of the white patients come across as familiar and informal. And I started wondering if the reason the black patients were so respectful was because they were brought up to be that way towards white people (men, in particular) as a preemptive defense. Now sure, raising your kids to be respectful to everyone else is a goal we should all have but I couldn't help but feel a little guilty because as an older than them white man, maybe they instinctively responded as they were taught to in an effort to possibly survive other situations.
I don't know. I don't think I explained it very well, but it just felt wrong to me. Not that their politeness wasn't genuine, but that it was, perhaps, borne of other things.
How much of this is due to the great migration? This speech pattern is consistent with Southern manners, and this is almost certainly the way their grandparents spoke.
What region are your clinics in?
Middle TN
But WHY did their grandparents speak that way? Was it because if they didn’t say “sir” to a passing white man on the sidewalk, they were entitled to be beaten?
Maybe its as dark as you suppose.
Did Tennesee have much migration in the 30s and 40s for the TVA? If your demographics didn't change much it would suggest my hypothesis is incorrect.
I’m not sure. Most of the experiences I’m familiar with has everyone going north to Detroit, Chicago and Indiana back then. I do know that, as a carpenter, my great-grandfather helped build Oak Ridge but the family moved to the same place when they came back.
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Joined: Sun September 15, 2013 5:50 am Posts: 22302
i know what you are talking about Wease
even some of the Blacks from lower income areas in the NE will refer to a white person as 'Mr.' or 'Mrs.' '[first name]'
i think this is at least partially a product of having to be graceful as a survival strategy in a society that has forcefully looked to exclude them for any reason whenever possible
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Joined: Sun September 15, 2013 5:50 am Posts: 22302
lol
that was fun
loved that movie
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