Red Mosquito • View topic - Systemic / Institutional / Societal Racism

Mickey · **Posted:** Wed July 15, 2020 7:48 pm

BurtReynolds wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

That's exactly what happened to Breonna Taylor and Botham Jean. Ahmaud Arbery was murdered by his neighbors while jogging in his neighborhood. Its not hysterical, its what happened!

Now here's the part where I spend all day posting links showing that it happens to whites too, often at slightly higher rates, none of which prove any sort of major existential threat to anyone and bla bla bla

Not doing it, man. Sorry.

Yeah, the police are terrible. So white folks should probably be for defunding them as well. Do you also have examples for housing? Medicine? The Courts? Education? Cause that's only a facet of the problem.

You didn't mention employment, which is a big one, and it certainly exists, and yeah I've been personally effected by it (at least a couple of times). It exists in education as well, but I'm not arguing against the existence of systemic racism, or at least that it has existed fairly recently.

That said, I do think most instances of systemic racism are really just regular racism. A racist in a position of power doesn't make the position racist, and you can't fight it by attacking the institution, and (I hate to use this phrase but it fits) "reverse racism" is usually a bad response to it.

*Affected

Mickey · **Posted:** Wed July 15, 2020 7:49 pm

Listen to that white resentment engine purr.

BurtReynolds · **Posted:** Wed July 15, 2020 7:49 pm

Mickey wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

That's exactly what happened to Breonna Taylor and Botham Jean. Ahmaud Arbery was murdered by his neighbors while jogging in his neighborhood. Its not hysterical, its what happened!

Now here's the part where I spend all day posting links showing that it happens to whites too, often at slightly higher rates, none of which prove any sort of major existential threat to anyone and bla bla bla

Not doing it, man. Sorry.

Yeah, the police are terrible. So white folks should probably be for defunding them as well. Do you also have examples for housing? Medicine? The Courts? Education? Cause that's only a facet of the problem.

You didn't mention employment, which is a big one, and it certainly exists, and yeah I've been personally effected by it (at least a couple of times). It exists in education as well, but I'm not arguing against the existence of systemic racism, or at least that it has existed fairly recently.

That said, I do think most instances of systemic racism are really just regular racism. A racist in a position of power doesn't make the position racist, and you can't fight it by attacking the institution, and (I hate to use this phrase but it fits) "reverse racism" is usually a bad response to it.

*Affected

Fuck.

Mickey · **Posted:** Wed July 15, 2020 7:50 pm

It's okay it supports your claim that you were mistreated in school because you're white.

Bammer · **Posted:** Wed July 15, 2020 7:53 pm

BurtReynolds wrote:

Mickey wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

BurtReynolds wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

That's exactly what happened to Breonna Taylor and Botham Jean. Ahmaud Arbery was murdered by his neighbors while jogging in his neighborhood. Its not hysterical, its what happened!

Now here's the part where I spend all day posting links showing that it happens to whites too, often at slightly higher rates, none of which prove any sort of major existential threat to anyone and bla bla bla

Not doing it, man. Sorry.

Yeah, the police are terrible. So white folks should probably be for defunding them as well. Do you also have examples for housing? Medicine? The Courts? Education? Cause that's only a facet of the problem.

You didn't mention employment, which is a big one, and it certainly exists, and yeah I've been personally effected by it (at least a couple of times). It exists in education as well, but I'm not arguing against the existence of systemic racism, or at least that it has existed fairly recently.

That said, I do think most instances of systemic racism are really just regular racism. A racist in a position of power doesn't make the position racist, and you can't fight it by attacking the institution, and (I hate to use this phrase but it fits) "reverse racism" is usually a bad response to it.

*Affected

Fuck.

Fraud Alert: BurtReynolds has been exposed

Bi_3 · **Joined:** Wed April 20, 2016 7:11 pm **Posts:** 14224

Jorge wrote:

Orpheus wrote:

Jorge wrote:

I regret my decision to participate in this thread!

I mean me too, but for entirely different reasons I'm guessing.

All I wanted was to have a nice conversation about semantics

I tried.

B · **Posted:** Tue September 01, 2020 10:30 pm

While I'm avoiding the threads that make me angry, I might as well toss this in here and run.

simple schoolboy · **Joined:** Wed January 02, 2013 3:41 am **Posts:** 5585

verb_to_trust · **Posted:** Fri September 18, 2020 9:19 pm

I've already retweeted this to my local BLA chapter. Awaiting response.

simple schoolboy · **Joined:** Wed January 02, 2013 3:41 am **Posts:** 5585

I can't imagine this will be long lived, but after the Sandia Labs kerfuffle, it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.

Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types...

BurtReynolds · **Posted:** Wed September 23, 2020 3:43 am

This is why presidential elections should be held every year.

BurtReynolds · **Posted:** Thu September 24, 2020 2:54 am

hahaha

96583UP · **Joined:** Sun September 15, 2013 5:50 am **Posts:** 22301

well if there's money being lost then the white overlords will be outraged

simple schoolboy · **Joined:** Wed January 02, 2013 3:41 am **Posts:** 5585

In case you wanted to know about whats going on with white supremacists in the wild:

I thought maybe this was the one involving cuckoldry, but nah, maybe that was Heimbach.

The Town · **Posted:** Sat September 26, 2020 5:06 pm

I read this Louisville Courier Journal article from 2018 the other day that recounts the profiling traffic stop of a black 18-year-old in Louisville.
The video especially has stuck with me.
https://www.courier-journal.com/story/news/investigations/2019/04/04/louisville-kentucky-police-stopped-frisked-handcuffed-black-teen-for-wide-turn/3210229002/

PHATJ · **Posted:** Sun September 27, 2020 2:18 am

surfndestroy · **Joined:** Wed January 02, 2013 2:21 am **Posts:** 2870

I honestly don't know the answer to this other than people just need to relax and breathe a little.

There is currently an ad campaign going on in Vancouver by OnePlanetOneChild.org advocating for people to have less children. The mistake they've made is they used diversity in their advertising. People losing their 'minds' over the ads that depict the same idea with BIPOC actors rather than white actors. The BIPOC actor ads have been branded racist. Do these people complaining want diversity in advertising or not?

https://www.huffingtonpost.ca/entry/vancouver-overpopulation-ads-climate-change_ca_5f6e717cc5b64deddeedbf08

Bi_3 · **Joined:** Wed April 20, 2016 7:11 pm **Posts:** 14224

McWhorter (who is Black) makes a shit-ton of sense here and really captures the essence of the movement. Poor Sam struggles keeping up.

B · **Posted:** Fri October 02, 2020 3:53 pm

simple schoolboy wrote:

I can't imagine this will be long lived, but after the Sandia Labs kerfuffle, it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.

Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types...

"it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.

Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types ... " - Men, when they started Sexual Harassment trainings.

simple schoolboy · **Joined:** Wed January 02, 2013 3:41 am **Posts:** 5585

B wrote:

simple schoolboy wrote:

I can't imagine this will be long lived, but after the Sandia Labs kerfuffle, it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.

Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types...

"it seems like these type of trainings are bad for workplace culture.

Unless we want federal agencies and contractors to be staffed entirely by 30 or younger HR types ... " - Men, when they started Sexual Harassment trainings.

CRT trainings where you segregate employees by race is not exactly the same thing as sexual harassment training.

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