Mark Williams, left, of Sullivan, Missouri, debates the worthiness of a statue of King Louis IX in Forest Park with a man who gave his name as Horus during a rally that brought various opinions to the top of Art Hill on Saturday, June 27, 2020. "This is hate against the Catholic church," said Williams, calling for a conversion of St. Louis residents. "If 99 percent of people are Catholic, our racial problems go away."

You can believe in private property and not support waiving a rifle at the people protesting in front of your neighbors house, for most of us it is not that hard to hold two concepts in your brain at once!

Anders Walker, a constitutional law professor at St. Louis University, said that although it's "very dangerous" to engage protesters with guns, the homeowners broke no laws by brandishing or pointing weapons at them because Portland Place is a private street. He said the McCloskeys are protected by Missouri's Castle Doctrine, which allows people to use deadly force to defend private property.

"At any point that you enter the property, they can then, in Missouri, use deadly force to get you off the lawn," Walker said, calling the state's Castle Doctrine a "force field" that "indemnifies you, and you can even pull the trigger in Missouri."


Luckily, Walker said, no one got shot.

"There's no right to protest on those streets," Walker said. "The protesters thought they had a right to protest, but as a technical matter, they were not allowed to be there. ... It’s essentially a private estate. If anyone was violating the law, it was the protesters. In fact, if (the McCloskeys) have photos of the protesters, they could go after them for trespassing."

I get the want to protect yourself in a situation where people are trespassing on your property, but surely a move to go out and chant in support of the protesters would have been a better option than heading out with guns.

If they came outside with a sign on a piece of cardboard the media never even hear about these two. Instead we have this:

oooh why don't they just go out and kneel, too! Why don't they simply grovel for the herd's acceptance!? That would be safer! Just go with the flow, brah!


and likely they would have been surrounded and beaten. I don't care about "escalation", or "proportional responses" or any of that shit. and the rest of the world is wrong about guns.

How many protesters are actively beating civilians these days? Genuine question - is this something that's actually happening? I haven't heard much of this until these two popped up on my newsfeed.

But you guys are wrong - guns really are retarded. Hey - you do you though.

How many would be required? I don't know. Plenty. It's happened on camera tons of times in the last few weeks. It's obvious that you wouldn't disagree with the mob and not expect to be mobbed. You're answer is to just agree with them. That's cuckery.

I don't hold that you must always meet force with force. The aim is to stay safe, however you go about it. In this case I guess I can't argue that the homeowner's bringing out the guns did the job for them, which I'm actually thankful for.

I wan't aware things were turning so violent against civilians tbh. That's a fucked up situation, and absolutely colours my view of the protestors in those situations. I learn, Mr Fawlty, I learn.

Burt lives a very terrified existence

The aim isn't just to stay safe, though. That's what you guys never get. It's not about safety at all costs. It's about having the freedom to do what you want, to be dangerous to aggressors, standing up for yourself, having the will to meet force with force so you can disagree with people and not get your head caved in, etc. It's a fundamentally different worldview.

Yeah, that shit you can keep Burt. FREEDOM! What a total crock. Because you guys are oh so very free.

How many would be required? I don't know. Plenty. It's happened on camera tons of times in the last few weeks. It's obvious that you wouldn't disagree with the mob and not expect to be mobbed. You're answer is to just agree with them. That's cuckery.

I don't hold that you must always meet force with force. The aim is to stay safe, however you go about it. In this case I guess I can't argue that the homeowner's bringing out the guns did the job for them, which I'm actually thankful for.

I wan't aware things were turning so violent against civilians tbh. That's a fucked up situation, and absolutely colours my view of the protestors in those situations. I learn, Mr Fawlty, I learn.