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Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed August 28, 2013 3:01 pm
Broken Tamborine
Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 2:59 am Posts: 275
Obama is in a no win situation, it's mostly his own doing though. He's the one who drew a line in the sand and Assad called his bluff. Now he has to do something or every foreign government will know they can do whatever they want without repercussions from the US. So he has to align himself with terrorists or look even more weak than he already does to foreign leaders. I think he'll end up doing what Clinton did and just lob a few missiles into Syria and hope that China or Russia don't take too much offense to it. It won't do anything, but it'll at least make it look like he did something.
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed August 28, 2013 3:19 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 3:24 pm Posts: 2868 Location: Death Machine Inc's HQ
shinkdew wrote:
Obama is in a no win situation, it's mostly his own doing though. He's the one who drew a line in the sand and Assad called his bluff. Now he has to do something or every foreign government will know they can do whatever they want without repercussions from the US. So he has to align himself with terrorists or look even more weak than he already does to foreign leaders. I think he'll end up doing what Clinton did and just lob a few missiles into Syria and hope that China or Russia don't take too much offense to it. It won't do anything, but it'll at least make it look like he did something.
He could let the other NATO countries do the shooting and just provide the logistics/intel support. Much like Japan did in Afghanistan.
Obama is in a no win situation, it's mostly his own doing though. He's the one who drew a line in the sand and Assad called his bluff. Now he has to do something or every foreign government will know they can do whatever they want without repercussions from the US. So he has to align himself with terrorists or look even more weak than he already does to foreign leaders. I think he'll end up doing what Clinton did and just lob a few missiles into Syria and hope that China or Russia don't take too much offense to it. It won't do anything, but it'll at least make it look like he did something.
He could let the other NATO countries do the shooting and just provide the logistics/intel support. Much like Japan did in Afghanistan.
I don't think that will work. I'm not a military expert, but the Syrian army and anti-air defense are much more substantial than Afghanistan (and Libya). I'm not sure EU forces are stronger/better enough to avoid numerous casualties.
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed August 28, 2013 5:54 pm
Broken Tamborine
Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 2:59 am Posts: 275
broken iris wrote:
shinkdew wrote:
Obama is in a no win situation, it's mostly his own doing though. He's the one who drew a line in the sand and Assad called his bluff. Now he has to do something or every foreign government will know they can do whatever they want without repercussions from the US. So he has to align himself with terrorists or look even more weak than he already does to foreign leaders. I think he'll end up doing what Clinton did and just lob a few missiles into Syria and hope that China or Russia don't take too much offense to it. It won't do anything, but it'll at least make it look like he did something.
He could let the other NATO countries do the shooting and just provide the logistics/intel support. Much like Japan did in Afghanistan.
I think at this point, most people believe NATO = USA.
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Wed August 28, 2013 6:45 pm
Future Drummer
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 7:52 pm Posts: 2508
shinkdew wrote:
Obama is in a no win situation, it's mostly his own doing though. He's the one who drew a line in the sand and Assad called his bluff. Now he has to do something or every foreign government will know they can do whatever they want without repercussions from the US. So he has to align himself with terrorists or look even more weak than he already does to foreign leaders. I think he'll end up doing what Clinton did and just lob a few missiles into Syria and hope that China or Russia don't take too much offense to it. It won't do anything, but it'll at least make it look like he did something.
God forbid that we offend anyone. We never do that.
Obama is in a no win situation, it's mostly his own doing though. He's the one who drew a line in the sand and Assad called his bluff. Now he has to do something or every foreign government will know they can do whatever they want without repercussions from the US. So he has to align himself with terrorists or look even more weak than he already does to foreign leaders. I think he'll end up doing what Clinton did and just lob a few missiles into Syria and hope that China or Russia don't take too much offense to it. It won't do anything, but it'll at least make it look like he did something.
He could let the other NATO countries do the shooting and just provide the logistics/intel support. Much like Japan did in Afghanistan.
I think at this point, most people believe NATO = USA.
If you remove the US, what is left that NATO can do?
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Fri August 30, 2013 10:35 am
Future Drummer
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 7:52 pm Posts: 2508
After listening to a couple journalists in the Mid-East, it's frustrating to hear them say that countries like Saudi Arabia, Jordan, & Turkey (all supporters of Syrian rebels) are secretly in favor of U.S. strikes, yet they won't publicly say it. And if the U.S. does strike, and it does nothing but add fuel to the fire, then the said countries will just as easily berate the U.S.
Isn't it great being the most powerful country in the world?
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Fri August 30, 2013 12:40 pm
Mind Your Tanners
Joined: Thu January 10, 2013 2:19 am Posts: 8898 Location: SOUTH PORTLAND
at this point, why don't we drone strike and blow up assad? wouldn't that be a clear message?
he's gotta be on the "target" list someplace. not to mention, with all the eavesdropping we've been doing, we can surely fudge some documents and audio to make him out to be the evilest evil that ever eviled, no?
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Mon September 02, 2013 8:29 am
Misplaced My Sponge
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 3:41 am Posts: 5595
I wonder who likes Obama the executive more than Obama the legislator at this point (especially considering the use of force business).
I suppose this sort of follow my feelings for the Republican party. They are equally if not more ruinous when in power, but from time to time they are useful when in the opposition.
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Mon September 02, 2013 3:46 pm
Broken Tamborine
Joined: Fri January 25, 2013 7:44 pm Posts: 450
So what has anyone else heard on that sarin cylinder that was found in Turkey? I mean we need credible evidence, right? So how do we know which source is the most credible anymore? Us or them?
Post subject: Re: The War on Terror /Central Asia/Mid East/Africa thread
Posted: Mon September 02, 2013 5:46 pm
Mind Your Tanners
Joined: Thu January 10, 2013 2:19 am Posts: 8898 Location: SOUTH PORTLAND
simple schoolboy wrote:
So, Robot overlords for the sake of consistency?
the below statement is pretty consistent with the action taken in Libya:
Quote:
According to the Guardian's Spencer Ackerman, Secretary of State John Kerry, this morning on CNN, said this when asked whether the Congressional vote would be binding: "[Obama] has the right to do this no matter what Congress does."
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