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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
PostPosted: Mon April 15, 2019 5:09 pm 
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Those dem libtards in retreat.

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Of course the report is coming on Thursday, when I will be at a day long retreat.



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Let’s make it clear. Obama kicked this guy out, not Trump.

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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
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Just a heads up. Pelosi is over here and addressing our Parliament today. Trump has not and will not be ever invited to do the same. You can watch live. She’s been using really hard language saying no US/UK trade deal if brexit affects the Good Friday agreement in any way. I expect she’ll double down on that today.



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Ok she fangirled out totally cos bono was in attendance and blew a bunch of smoke up our ass but other than that it was a good speech. She doesn’t seem fond of staying on script either :)


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BREAKING: Trump....promises to murder either Joe Biden or Bernie Sanders?


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AG who has been briefing the target of an investigation about its findings before he allows anyone else to see it will also not release it until after his conference answering questions about it.

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AG who has been briefing the target of an investigation about its findings before he allows anyone else to see it will also not release it until after his conference answering questions about it.



I read they were getting a less redacted version, not the full version like this tweet implies, likely queuing up outrage

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Bi_3 wrote:
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AG who has been briefing the target of an investigation about its findings before he allows anyone else to see it will also not release it until after his conference answering questions about it.



I read they were getting a less redacted version, not the full version like this tweet implies, likely queuing up outrage

They’re getting a version with some Carter Page-related details unredacted. That’s not really related to the willingness to brief the White House before sharing the report, though, or to withhold it until after the AG makes another pass at framing its conclusions.

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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
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I'm sorry but why is it not common sense that Congress get the fully unredacted report? Give. Them. Everything. There is no reason why they should not be given the entire report and all underlying evidence. It's ABSURD that they not receive it. FUCKING ABSURD.


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I'm sorry but why is it not common sense that Congress get the fully unredacted report? Give. Them. Everything. There is no reason why they should not be given the entire report and all underlying evidence. It's ABSURD that they not receive it. FUCKING ABSURD.


This is wrong. They are not entitled to classified information that may describe sources and methods. They are also not entitled to see all information regarding US citizens.

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durdencommatyler wrote:
I'm sorry but why is it not common sense that Congress get the fully unredacted report? Give. Them. Everything. There is no reason why they should not be given the entire report and all underlying evidence. It's ABSURD that they not receive it. FUCKING ABSURD.


This is wrong. They are not entitled to classified information that may describe sources and methods. They are also not entitled to see all information regarding US citizens.

That is wrong.


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durdencommatyler wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
I'm sorry but why is it not common sense that Congress get the fully unredacted report? Give. Them. Everything. There is no reason why they should not be given the entire report and all underlying evidence. It's ABSURD that they not receive it. FUCKING ABSURD.


This is wrong. They are not entitled to classified information that may describe sources and methods. They are also not entitled to see all information regarding US citizens.

That is wrong.


It’s the law

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Bi_3 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
I'm sorry but why is it not common sense that Congress get the fully unredacted report? Give. Them. Everything. There is no reason why they should not be given the entire report and all underlying evidence. It's ABSURD that they not receive it. FUCKING ABSURD.


This is wrong. They are not entitled to classified information that may describe sources and methods. They are also not entitled to see all information regarding US citizens.

That is wrong.


It’s the law

Fine. IF that's the law (and I don't know that it is) then THAT IS WRONG.

And Jaworski gave us a road map. So, IF it's "illegal" for a hand-picked Trump crony and alley and idiot and slave to give Congress the report, then the Grand Jury CAN and SHOULD give them their testimony.

There is no reason that a law should exist, even if it does, that congress isn't allowed access to the full report.


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durdencommatyler wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
I'm sorry but why is it not common sense that Congress get the fully unredacted report? Give. Them. Everything. There is no reason why they should not be given the entire report and all underlying evidence. It's ABSURD that they not receive it. FUCKING ABSURD.


This is wrong. They are not entitled to classified information that may describe sources and methods. They are also not entitled to see all information regarding US citizens.

That is wrong.


It’s the law

Fine. IF that's the law (and I don't know that it is) then THAT IS WRONG.

And Jaworski gave us a road map. So, IF it's "illegal" for a hand-picked Trump crony and alley and idiot and slave to give Congress the report, then the Grand Jury CAN and SHOULD give them their testimony.

There is no reason that a law should exist, even if it does, that congress isn't allowed access to the full report.

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In his letter to judiciary committee chairmen Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) and Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) dated March 29, Attorney General William Barr indicated that there were four categories of material he is redacting in the version that is expected to be made available to Congress: (1) material subject to Federal Rule of Criminal Procedure 6(e) that cannot be made public; (2) classified information that implicates the sources and methods of the intelligence community; (3) information that is sensitive based on other ongoing law enforcement matters; and (4) information that would “unduly infringe” on the “personal privacy and reputational interests of peripheral third parties.” Nadler has indicated he intends to wait until the redacted report is delivered before making a decision about whether to issue a subpoena for the full report. He also set forth his views in a letter to Barr on April 1 regarding why the judiciary committee should be entitled to see the entire unredacted report and underlying grand jury materials.

For the latter three categories of redacted information, there is no legal bar to the attorney general providing such material to members of Congress. Members routinely review classified information, and they can review sensitive law enforcement related or personal information in a nonpublic setting. They will almost certainly demand such information, and a back-and-forth between the committee and the Department of Justice will likely ensue, potentially for weeks, on these three categories of information. On April 10, Barr indicated in a congressional hearing that he would work with the judiciary committees of the House and Senate to view some of the redacted portions of the report: “I am willing to work with the judiciary committees to see if there is a workaround that could address any concerns or needs that they have.” Barr also said grand jury information is the “most inflexible” category for a speedy release.

Why is the first category of material that Barr is redacting—material subject to section 6(e) of the Federal Rules of Criminal Procedure (FRCP)—the “most inflexible”? While there is historical precedent for the House judiciary committee receiving such information, an intervening case issued by the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit on April 5 may make it considerably more difficult for the judiciary committees to receive it. If the House judiciary committee wants to have even a chance of reviewing the redacted 6(e) material, it will either have to convince Barr to make arguments to that effect to the court that oversaw the Mueller grand jury proceedings or else petition the court directly. Such litigation would take time, and the outcome is uncertain—especially if Barr decides to oppose the release to the committee.

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Sure. But with the Jaworski example... my understanding, which admittedly, could be SUPER flawed, is that the Grand Jury itself could request that materials be sent to Congress.


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Please don’t conflate “no legal bar” with a legal obligation (entitlement) for the executive branch to disclose.

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Bi_3 wrote:
Please don’t conflate “no legal bar” with a legal obligation (entitlement) for the executive branch to disclose.

ok, you got it


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