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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
PostPosted: Tue October 09, 2018 4:34 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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Interesting. So her failing is chiefly rhetorical?

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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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yeah i missed the reservations joke, but i see it now

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Couldn't disagree more.

Pound Trump and the GOP over Kavanaugh to woo female voters. There's been a number of stories about former female Trump supporters leaving the GOP.

Then bring in Castro to secure Florida, Arizona and make a run at Texas.

Nobody wants a "safe" message this time around.

I'd love it if it worked out this way. But I think Warren comes across as the definition of safe. Maybe I'm wrong, and I'm all for it.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
PostPosted: Tue October 09, 2018 5:10 pm 
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Warren is a true champion of the working class, but the tone of her messaging sucks right now. Unless the larger tone of political discourse changes, she should stay in MA

Any other reservations for a Warren candidacy?

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Interesting. So her failing is chiefly rhetorical?

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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
PostPosted: Tue October 09, 2018 5:19 pm 
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Leaving aside her appalling willingness to trade on fraudulent Indian heritage claims, she's a populist know-nothing of the Bernie Sanders sort. There is nothing new in the majority of her bad ideas.

But being a female is qualification enough these days, I suppose.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
PostPosted: Tue October 09, 2018 5:24 pm 
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Leaving aside her appalling willingness to trade on fraudulent Indian heritage claims, she's a populist know-nothing of the Bernie Sanders sort. There is nothing new in the majority of her bad ideas.

But being a female is qualification enough these days, I suppose.

You're an idiot. She's absolutely brilliant with the fine print of policy in a way that Sanders could never touch.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
PostPosted: Tue October 09, 2018 5:39 pm 
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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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As much as I hate the direction the democrats have taken, I'd love a revolt of a type similar to what the republicans just went thru. The party doesn't remotely represent it's voters, and they're incompetent to boot.

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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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if the democrats really want to doom their chances in 2020, they'll (i) select pelosi as the speaker of the house this january, and (ii) nominate elizabeth warren in 2020.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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Chris_H_2 wrote:
if the democrats really want to doom their chances in 2020, they'll (i) select pelosi as the speaker of the house this january, and (ii) nominate elizabeth warren in 2020.

correct. the moderates will have their place in the party for at least another 20 years, but if they are smart they'll step aside and let the Harris/Bookers of the party take the lead


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
PostPosted: Tue October 09, 2018 6:40 pm 
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Chris_H_2 wrote:
if the democrats really want to doom their chances in 2020, they'll (i) select pelosi as the speaker of the house this january, and (ii) nominate elizabeth warren in 2020.

correct. the moderates will have their place in the party for at least another 20 years, but if they are smart they'll step aside and let the Harris/Bookers of the party take the lead

Elizabeth Warren is not a moderate anything.

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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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Seriously. I don't know WTF trag is talking about.

As a lifelong Dem, I would say Warren would be a considerable leap to the left.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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Leaving aside her appalling willingness to trade on fraudulent Indian heritage claims, she's a populist know-nothing of the Bernie Sanders sort. There is nothing new in the majority of her bad ideas.

But being a female is qualification enough these days, I suppose.

You're an idiot. She's absolutely brilliant with the fine print of policy in a way that Sanders could never touch.

I think you're misunderstanding.

My point wasn't that she lacks juridical competency. It was that she is, at heart, a populist. And like all populists - regardless of party affiliation - she is full of very bad ideas. In this respect, she differs from the Bernie Sanderses of the world in degree, not kind. Her know-nothingness is a function of these bad ideas, not her relative facility with legislative minutia.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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i think that relative to the Kamala Harris's of the party, she's quite moderate. Her views on banking regulation, Dodd-Frank, gay marriage, student loans, immigration, and healthcare are all right down the middle of her party's platform. The corporate coziness of the Clintons is already quite outdated for modern Dems under, say, 40.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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Three very bad EW ideas off the top of my head: $15 minimum wage, Accountable Capitalism Act, tying interest rates on student loans to the federal funds rate.

To anyone even remotely interested in understanding the consequences of economic policy, that last one is borderline disqualifying. It exposes the poverty of her understanding of economics something fierce.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Warren is a true champion of the working class, but the tone of her messaging sucks right now. Unless the larger tone of political discourse changes, she should stay in MA

Any other reservations for a Warren candidacy?

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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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I'mma let you in on a secret: most American voters are idiots. Of the ones who are left, they're usually single-issue voters who can't help but vote a certain way. Trying to find people who understand the high-level issues like the student loan thing is almost impossible.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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bune wrote:
I'mma let you in on a secret: most American voters are idiots. Of the ones who are left, they're usually single-issue voters who can't help but vote a certain way. Trying to find people who understand the high-level issues like the student loan thing is almost impossible.

Yes, exactly correct.

This only underscores the wisdom in the civic structure built into the founding documents; specifically, checks and balances within the three federal branches and between the federal and state legislatures. The point was always to design something that could withstand the worst of what a polity could mete out, not equip that same polity with tools that would ultimately hasten its undoing.

Decentralization is a virtue, not least of all as a rampart against stupidity.


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
PostPosted: Tue October 09, 2018 8:37 pm 
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don't worry team. i'm voting for the first time ever this year..i got this


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 Post subject: Re: Election 2020
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The Argonaut wrote:
The Dems will be putting up two women. Warren or Harris at the top. Harris, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, or Napolitano in the VP slot. My money's on Harris-Napolitano


I worry that you are right.

We need a Joe Biden type. We need a charismatic moderate. People aren't ready to hear about tax hikes and intense regulation. We need build back trust in the government before we nominate someone like Warren.


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