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tragabigzanda wrote:
Warren is a true champion of the working class, but the tone of her messaging sucks right now. Unless the larger tone of political discourse changes, she should stay in MA
Any other reservations for a Warren candidacy?
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Interesting. So her failing is chiefly rhetorical?
Leaving aside her appalling willingness to trade on fraudulent Indian heritage claims, she's a populist know-nothing of the Bernie Sanders sort. There is nothing new in the majority of her bad ideas.
But being a female is qualification enough these days, I suppose.
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Leaving aside her appalling willingness to trade on fraudulent Indian heritage claims, she's a populist know-nothing of the Bernie Sanders sort. There is nothing new in the majority of her bad ideas.
But being a female is qualification enough these days, I suppose.
You're an idiot. She's absolutely brilliant with the fine print of policy in a way that Sanders could never touch.
An enigma of a man shaped hole in the wall between reality and the soul of the devil.
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As much as I hate the direction the democrats have taken, I'd love a revolt of a type similar to what the republicans just went thru. The party doesn't remotely represent it's voters, and they're incompetent to boot.
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if the democrats really want to doom their chances in 2020, they'll (i) select pelosi as the speaker of the house this january, and (ii) nominate elizabeth warren in 2020.
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 47165 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
Chris_H_2 wrote:
if the democrats really want to doom their chances in 2020, they'll (i) select pelosi as the speaker of the house this january, and (ii) nominate elizabeth warren in 2020.
correct. the moderates will have their place in the party for at least another 20 years, but if they are smart they'll step aside and let the Harris/Bookers of the party take the lead
if the democrats really want to doom their chances in 2020, they'll (i) select pelosi as the speaker of the house this january, and (ii) nominate elizabeth warren in 2020.
correct. the moderates will have their place in the party for at least another 20 years, but if they are smart they'll step aside and let the Harris/Bookers of the party take the lead
Elizabeth Warren is not a moderate anything.
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Leaving aside her appalling willingness to trade on fraudulent Indian heritage claims, she's a populist know-nothing of the Bernie Sanders sort. There is nothing new in the majority of her bad ideas.
But being a female is qualification enough these days, I suppose.
You're an idiot. She's absolutely brilliant with the fine print of policy in a way that Sanders could never touch.
I think you're misunderstanding.
My point wasn't that she lacks juridical competency. It was that she is, at heart, a populist. And like all populists - regardless of party affiliation - she is full of very bad ideas. In this respect, she differs from the Bernie Sanderses of the world in degree, not kind. Her know-nothingness is a function of these bad ideas, not her relative facility with legislative minutia.
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 47165 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
i think that relative to the Kamala Harris's of the party, she's quite moderate. Her views on banking regulation, Dodd-Frank, gay marriage, student loans, immigration, and healthcare are all right down the middle of her party's platform. The corporate coziness of the Clintons is already quite outdated for modern Dems under, say, 40.
Three very bad EW ideas off the top of my head: $15 minimum wage, Accountable Capitalism Act, tying interest rates on student loans to the federal funds rate.
To anyone even remotely interested in understanding the consequences of economic policy, that last one is borderline disqualifying. It exposes the poverty of her understanding of economics something fierce.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Warren is a true champion of the working class, but the tone of her messaging sucks right now. Unless the larger tone of political discourse changes, she should stay in MA
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 6:03 pm Posts: 9359 Location: Washington State
I'mma let you in on a secret: most American voters are idiots. Of the ones who are left, they're usually single-issue voters who can't help but vote a certain way. Trying to find people who understand the high-level issues like the student loan thing is almost impossible.
I'mma let you in on a secret: most American voters are idiots. Of the ones who are left, they're usually single-issue voters who can't help but vote a certain way. Trying to find people who understand the high-level issues like the student loan thing is almost impossible.
Yes, exactly correct.
This only underscores the wisdom in the civic structure built into the founding documents; specifically, checks and balances within the three federal branches and between the federal and state legislatures. The point was always to design something that could withstand the worst of what a polity could mete out, not equip that same polity with tools that would ultimately hasten its undoing.
Decentralization is a virtue, not least of all as a rampart against stupidity.
The Dems will be putting up two women. Warren or Harris at the top. Harris, Gillibrand, Klobuchar, or Napolitano in the VP slot. My money's on Harris-Napolitano
I worry that you are right.
We need a Joe Biden type. We need a charismatic moderate. People aren't ready to hear about tax hikes and intense regulation. We need build back trust in the government before we nominate someone like Warren.
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