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 Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam - Definitive Live Versions (a Green Habit sequ
PostPosted: Mon June 04, 2018 1:11 am 
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ridleybradout wrote:
Danacky wrote:
Loving the avocado disc :) any plans on carrying this collection on after you've finished with the albums Ridleybradout and JWB? Personally I'd love to here a live acoustic set and a complete improvs, covers and other rarities

There is going to be a two-disc covers set to go with this. It will include all covers that have been performed over say 10 times.


Great to hear!

I've been listening to that old "Pulled The Covers" comp recently but it's a bit patchy so really looking forward to yours :)


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lots of opinions on backspacer i see :arrow:

johnny guitar is underrated.

It sure is - I found a great tight rockin' version from 2010 with correct lyrics :hooray:

As for Santa Cruz, I'm now leaning towards the Bridge School audience version, given the rule I've had about choosing versions as close to their studio recorded arrangement as possible - Bridge School is full band with harmonica (like the studio version), whereas Telluride is Ed solo, no harmonica.


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PostPosted: Tue June 05, 2018 5:37 am 
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ridleybradout wrote:
AndySlash wrote:
lots of opinions on backspacer i see :arrow:

johnny guitar is underrated.

It sure is - I found a great tight rockin' version from 2010 with correct lyrics :hooray:

As for Santa Cruz, I'm now leaning towards the Bridge School audience version, given the rule I've had about choosing versions as close to their studio recorded arrangement as possible - Bridge School is full band with harmonica (like the studio version), whereas Telluride is Ed solo, no harmonica.


This makes sense to me.


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 Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam - Definitive Live Versions (a Green Habit sequ
PostPosted: Wed June 06, 2018 12:29 am 
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ridleybradout wrote:

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P E A R L J A M
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DEFINITIVE LIVE
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Compilation and artwork by ridleybradout
June 2018

FAN-MADE PROJECT - NOT FOR SALE

*Share freely but do not distribute as mp3*


It has been almost 13 years since the Green Habit Compilation was put together by the
Red Mosquito Forum community. As the band has now been together for double that length
of time, an update or sequel to this collection was well overdue. Hundreds of official
bootlegs later (including numerous 'vault' releases from the pre-bootleg era), every
song has been put up for review.

Red Mosquito forum users were invited to nominate and debate their favourite versions
of each song, for me to then go away and listen to each to make a final decision:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=8556

There were a number of criteria for picking a definitive live version: sound quality,
correct lyrics, no guitar flubs, full band (if that is how the song was recorded in
the studio), electric rather than acoustic (again, if that is how the song was recorded),
and original era/drummer where possible (unless later versions had something really
special). Basically, if you had to represent the essence and power of each song through
one single live version - which would it be?

After a LOT of deliberation, this is what we came up with. Thank you to everyone for
your suggestions and for the discussion to date. This will be a constantly evolving
collection, so will be reviewed as new shows are played or released from the vault.
The best known source for each track has been used, and remastered by JWB only where
required to provide the smoothest possible listening experience.


Disc 10: 'Backspacer'

10-01 Gonna See My Friend (Philadelphia 2009-10-30)
10-02 Got Some (Boston 2010-05-17)
10-03 The Fixer (Brisbane 2009-11-25)
10-04 Johnny Guitar (Hartford 2010-05-15)
10-05 Just Breathe (New York 2010-05-21)
10-06 Amongst The Waves (Philadelphia 2009-10-31)
10-07 Unthought Known (Berlin 2010-06-30)
10-08 Supersonic (New Orleans 2010-05-01)
10-09 Speed Of Sound (Ottawa 2016-05-08)
10-10 Force Of Nature (Melbourne 2009-11-20)
10-11 The End (Los Angeles 2009-10-07)
10-12 Santa Cruz (Bridge School 2010-10-23)






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 Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam - Definitive Live Versions (a Green Habit sequ
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I know enthusiasm for this project is starting to dry up with the latter albums, but this is the last one so let's pick it up people! Next we're onto covers, which will be a challenging beast...


Getaway
- Sydney 2014-01-26
- Perth 2014-01-31

Mind Your Manners
- Auckland 2014-01-17
- Philadelphia 2016-04-28
- Spokane 2013-11-30

My Father’s Son
- Adelaide 2014-01-31
- St Louis 2014-10-03
- Stockholm 2014-06-28

Sirens
- Portland 2013-11-29
- Leeds 2014-07-08
- Milton Keynes 2014-07-11

Lightning Bolt
- Oklahoma City 2013-11-16
- Lexington 2016-04-26

Infallible
- Miami 2016-04-09
- Moline 2014-10-17
- Worchester 2013-10-15
- Vancouver 2013-12-04

Pendulum
- Philadelphia 2013-10-22
- St. Louis 2014-10-03
- Seattle 2013-12-06

Swallowed Whole (no versions with correct lyrics so don't waste your time trying to find one :( )
- Charlottesville 2013-10-29
- Greenville 2016-04-16
- St. Louis 2014-10-03

Let the Records Play
- Oklahoma City 2013-11-11
- Memphis 2014-10-14

Sleeping By Myself
- Los Angeles 2013-11-24
- Milwaukee 2014-10-20
- Telluride 2016-07-09

Yellow Moon
- Brooklyn 2013-11-19
- Oslo 2014-06-29
- Charlotte 2013-10-30

Future Days
- Werchter 2014-07-05
- Denver 2014-10-22
- Brooklyn 2013-11-19

Ole
- Ottawa 2011-09-14


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Yellow Moon from Charlotte and LtRP from Memphis are both good choices

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what are the shortest versions of sirens and future days? i'd pick those.

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Getaway
- Seattle 2013-12-06

Mind Your Manners
- Baltimore 2013-10-27

My Father’s Son
- Adelaide 2014-01-31

Sirens
- Philadelphia 2013-10-22

Lightning Bolt
- Spokane 2013-11-30

Infallible
- Brooklyn 2013-11-19

Pendulum
- Pittsburgh 2013-10-11

Swallowed Whole
- Charlottesville 2013-10-29

Let the Records Play
- Gold Coast 2014-01-19

Sleeping By Myself
- Los Angeles 2013-11-24

Yellow Moon
- Phoenix 2013-11-19

Future Days
- Dallas 2013-11-15

These are just my suggestions....

Also, your "Lightning Bolt Live" comp was great, why not just recycle that?


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ZebZuber wrote:
Getaway
- Seattle 2013-12-06

Mind Your Manners
- Baltimore 2013-10-27

My Father’s Son
- Adelaide 2014-01-31

Sirens
- Philadelphia 2013-10-22

Lightning Bolt
- Spokane 2013-11-30

Infallible
- Brooklyn 2013-11-19

Pendulum
- Pittsburgh 2013-10-11

Swallowed Whole
- Charlottesville 2013-10-29

Let the Records Play
- Gold Coast 2014-01-19

Sleeping By Myself
- Los Angeles 2013-11-24

Yellow Moon
- Phoenix 2013-11-19

Future Days
- Dallas 2013-11-15

These are just my suggestions....

Also, your was great, why not just recycle that?

Because there have been 3 more years of the never-ending Lightning Bolt tour since then, so I want to be sure there aren't better versions available. All the versions in my "Lightning Bolt Live" comp are included in the above list.

Thanks for your suggestions, I see they are from 'The Projects' - were you involved in the creation of those comps at all?


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ridleybradout wrote:
ZebZuber wrote:
Getaway
- Seattle 2013-12-06

Mind Your Manners
- Baltimore 2013-10-27

My Father’s Son
- Adelaide 2014-01-31

Sirens
- Philadelphia 2013-10-22

Lightning Bolt
- Spokane 2013-11-30

Infallible
- Brooklyn 2013-11-19

Pendulum
- Pittsburgh 2013-10-11

Swallowed Whole
- Charlottesville 2013-10-29

Let the Records Play
- Gold Coast 2014-01-19

Sleeping By Myself
- Los Angeles 2013-11-24

Yellow Moon
- Phoenix 2013-11-19

Future Days
- Dallas 2013-11-15

These are just my suggestions....

Also, your was great, why not just recycle that?

Because there have been 3 more years of the never-ending Lightning Bolt tour since then, so I want to be sure there aren't better versions available. All the versions in my "Lightning Bolt Live" comp are included in the above list.

Thanks for your suggestions, I see they are from 'The Projects' - were you involved in the creation of those comps at all?


No, I wasn't involved with The Projects, but I really, really enjoyed them. I liked the song selection they went with on LB, but figured it would sound better with your editing. You seem to make things sound so seamless and fluid like it all goes together.

3 more years of the never-ending Lightning Bolt tour makes a lot of sense in the song selection process. I didn't think of that :) Keep up the good work. It is extremely appreciated.


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After a few weeks delay, Lightning Bolt is now done. I did an unhealthy amount of checking other versions to see if any of the 2014-2016 shows had better takes than the ones I used for 'Lightning Bolt Live', but in the end only My Father's Son and Swallowed Whole were replaced. Miami 2016 had a great Infallible, but there were some pretty bad audio glitches on that boot (similar to the 2015 SA shows).

Image

Quote:
===============
P E A R L J A M
===============
DEFINITIVE LIVE
===============


Compilation and artwork by ridleybradout
July 2018

FAN-MADE PROJECT - NOT FOR SALE

*Share freely but do not distribute as mp3*


It has been almost 13 years since the Green Habit Compilation was put together by the
Red Mosquito Forum community. As the band has now been together for double that length
of time, an update or sequel to this collection was well overdue. Hundreds of official
bootlegs later (including numerous 'vault' releases from the pre-bootleg era), every
song has been put up for review.

Red Mosquito forum users were invited to nominate and debate their favourite versions
of each song, for me to then go away and listen to each to make a final decision:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=8556

There were a number of criteria for picking a definitive live version: sound quality,
correct lyrics, no guitar flubs, full band (if that is how the song was recorded in
the studio), electric rather than acoustic (again, if that is how the song was recorded),
and original era/drummer where possible (unless later versions had something really
special). Basically, if you had to represent the essence and power of each song through
one single live version - which would it be?

After a LOT of deliberation, this is what we came up with. Thank you to everyone for
your suggestions and for the discussion to date. This will be a constantly evolving
collection, so will be reviewed as new shows are played or released from the vault.
The best known source for each track has been used, and remastered by JWB only where
required to provide the smoothest possible listening experience.


Disc 11: 'Lightning Bolt'

11-01 Getaway (Sydney 2014-01-26)
11-02 Mind Your Manners (Auckland 2014-01-17)
11-03 My Father's Son (Denver 2014-10-22)
11-04 Sirens (Portland 2013-11-29)
11-05 Lightning Bolt (Oklahoma City 2013-11-16)
11-06 Infallible (Vancouver 2013-12-04)
11-07 Pendulum (Philadelphia 2013-10-22)
11-08 Swallowed Whole (Greenville 2016-04-16)
11-09 Let The Records Play (Oklahoma City 2013-11-16)
11-10 Sleeping By Myself (Los Angeles 2013-11-24)
11-11 Yellow Moon (Brooklyn 2013-10-19)
11-12 Future Days (Brooklyn 2013-10-19)
11-13 Olé (Ottawa 2011-09-14)






Download here


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Brilliant, great birthday present to get the last of the albums, can't wait for the covers! Thanks for this Brad, love your dedication to this project, much appreciated in filling the gap between Prague and London 2!


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Awesome job guys! :thumbsup:

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I can't wait to have all of these and just listen to them on shuffle. :thumbsup:

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Very nice!

Hopefully the covers discs generate a little more discussion than the last few albums have :)


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This LB disc is so much better than the album.


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thank you for this. it's been fun to listen to these.

just got done listening to the ole on the lightning bolt comp. contrary to the prevailing opinion on here i like ole, think it's a fun uptempo rocker of a tune, and i wish they'd play it more. but man, if this is the definitive live version (and i've no reason to believe it isn't), then it probably is best left on the shelf. a shame, as jeff especially is enjoyable to listen to here. also, the poorer sound of the 2011 boots really stands out after listening to a bunch of songs from 2013-14 era boots. still not as bad as 08-09, and i think '11 was the first year back with eliason, but from '13 on the sound has mostly been really good.

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Awesome project, what do you think an "Alternative Live version" for those performance with huge difference respect studio record

- Lukin slow
- Fast wash
- In my tree improv
- No Jeremy
- Garden 00

Thats a lot of them depending the year (I'm not thinking about Do the Evolution he ho feedback but maybe yes in new Corduroy guitar bridge)


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sico_pata wrote:
Awesome project, what do you think an "Alternative Live version" for those performance with huge difference respect studio record

- Lukin slow
- Fast wash
- In my tree improv
- No Jeremy
- Garden 00

Thats a lot of them depending the year (I'm not thinking about Do the Evolution he ho feedback but maybe yes in new Corduroy guitar bridge)


Yeah like this idea a lot actually. Might be difficult to define "alternate" though.

One that comes to mind is a roughly 10min version of Corduroy from one of the Salt Lake City 95 shows I think.


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rimb wrote:
sico_pata wrote:
Awesome project, what do you think an "Alternative Live version" for those performance with huge difference respect studio record

- Lukin slow
- Fast wash
- In my tree improv
- No Jeremy
- Garden 00

Thats a lot of them depending the year (I'm not thinking about Do the Evolution he ho feedback but maybe yes in new Corduroy guitar bridge)


Yeah like this idea a lot actually. Might be difficult to define "alternate" though.

One that comes to mind is a roughly 10min version of Corduroy from one of the Salt Lake City 95 shows I think.

Maybe - I don't really care for most of the 'alternate' versions but it could be a nice 'bonus disc'. Alternate Corduroy would definitely have to be the 1996 Bridge School version :nice:


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