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Post subject: Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread
Posted: Thu February 15, 2018 7:40 pm
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Birds in Hell wrote:
I don't know, that series of messages reads to me as if Billy has already pre-determined that her role will be relatively minor, like an occasional guest appearance, which is pretty unfair given her history with the band. Sure, she hasn't played music professionally for almost 20 years, but at least sit down with her in person and in a rehearsal room and work this stuff out before rushing into studio recordings and tour promotion.
It seems like pretty classic petulant and juvenile Billy Corgan behaviour. He doesn't want to be the bad guy who says "you're out of the band", so he'll just engineer the situation to exclude her and then frame it as though she was never going to have a significant role anyway. Then if she blows up at him, "woah, look at the crazy lady over here".
Post subject: Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread
Posted: Thu February 15, 2018 7:45 pm
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Birds in Hell wrote:
I don't know, that series of messages reads to me as if Billy has already pre-determined that her role will be relatively minor, like an occasional guest appearance, which is pretty unfair given her history with the band. Sure, she hasn't played music professionally for almost 20 years, but at least sit down with her in person and in a rehearsal room and work this stuff out before rushing into studio recordings and tour promotion.
It seems like pretty classic petulant and juvenile Billy Corgan behaviour. He doesn't want to be the bad guy who says "you're out of the band", so he'll just engineer the situation to exclude her and then frame it as though she was never going to have a significant role anyway. Then if she blows up at him, "woah, look at the crazy lady over here".
Yep. He had his mind made up from the get-go, and his wording reads as very sneaky and disingenuous
Post subject: Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread
Posted: Thu February 15, 2018 7:47 pm
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VinylGuy wrote:
I think she is the kind of person who always puts excuses...she seemed to have a should injury, then she couldnt leave the house because of her mother...Billy comes off as reasonable in those texts.
Anyway, im exited about Billy and James playing together...fuck those 3 guitars sound really cool!!
You misread the mom text. She was saying she didn't want to be rude to her mom by texting while they were spending time together.
The shoulder thing does seem like an excuse, though... for Billy.
I just don't see this as any different than the other crappy tours Billy has put together. Does James Iha really move the needle into cavernous arenas territory? The man barely played on the records!!
Post subject: Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread
Posted: Thu February 15, 2018 10:22 pm
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verb_to_trust wrote:
I just don't see this as any different than the other crappy tours Billy has put together. Does James Iha really move the needle into cavernous arenas territory? The man barely played on the records!!
I guess yes? And the promise to only play the first albums.
Post subject: Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread
Posted: Thu February 15, 2018 10:33 pm
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theplatypus wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
I think she is the kind of person who always puts excuses...she seemed to have a should injury, then she couldnt leave the house because of her mother...Billy comes off as reasonable in those texts.
Anyway, im exited about Billy and James playing together...fuck those 3 guitars sound really cool!!
You misread the mom text. She was saying she didn't want to be rude to her mom by texting while they were spending time together.
The shoulder thing does seem like an excuse, though... for Billy.
True...I thought it was weird for her to mention she didnt go to LA.
Post subject: Re: Crucify the Insincere: A Smashing Pumpkins Thread
Posted: Thu February 15, 2018 11:07 pm
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Why is anyone excited about this? Corgan was always the core of the band, so a reunion of the nearly-original 'lineup' doesn't sound too exciting. Plus modern day Smashing Pumpkins are one of the most atrocious live bands out there. The contempt Billy Corgan has for his audience is beyond words.
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I just can't fathom who is actually going to come out to the united center and watch them, and they're from Chicago. These arenas are going to be empty.
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