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 Post subject: Re: Pearl Jam - Definitive Live Versions (a Green Habit sequ
PostPosted: Sat February 10, 2018 9:29 pm 
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Daughter conundrum:

Cleveland 2006-05-20 (It's Okay tag)
- Not up to scratch

Lisbon 2006-09-05 (It's Okay tag)
- Unlike many 2006 versions this is nice and slow. Great crowd participation. The It's Okay tag is very good and concludes with an awesome Mike solo.

Milan 2000-06-22 (no tag, awesome call and response)
- Excellent main song, some great drum work, and the call and response is an all time classic (the birth of the ay-oh-ay chant?)

Jones Beach 2000-08-24 (It's Okay tag)
- Main song is serviceable, I know this version of the tag is well loved around here but some of the weird lyric changes have always bothered me ("Hope in an alleyway" WTF?)

Rotterdam 1993-07-16 (WMA tag)
- Not bad, though end of song is cut off. Not sure if we should use a WMA tag.

Washington DC 1998-09-19 (LO2L - RITFW/WMA tags)
- If we do use a WMA tag I think this is the one :nice:

Milan is the right choice and you know it.

No it isn't.

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doone wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
ridleybradout wrote:
Daughter conundrum:

Cleveland 2006-05-20 (It's Okay tag)
- Not up to scratch

Lisbon 2006-09-05 (It's Okay tag)
- Unlike many 2006 versions this is nice and slow. Great crowd participation. The It's Okay tag is very good and concludes with an awesome Mike solo.

Milan 2000-06-22 (no tag, awesome call and response)
- Excellent main song, some great drum work, and the call and response is an all time classic (the birth of the ay-oh-ay chant?)

Jones Beach 2000-08-24 (It's Okay tag)
- Main song is serviceable, I know this version of the tag is well loved around here but some of the weird lyric changes have always bothered me ("Hope in an alleyway" WTF?)

Rotterdam 1993-07-16 (WMA tag)
- Not bad, though end of song is cut off. Not sure if we should use a WMA tag.

Washington DC 1998-09-19 (LO2L - RITFW/WMA tags)
- If we do use a WMA tag I think this is the one :nice:

Milan is the right choice and you know it.

No it isn't.

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Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
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Speaking of which - did anyone ever transfer the mix of the VMA performance (just "Animal") from the "Go" cassette? I've been meaning to transfer it myself.


I did. It's on the b-sides comp. It's a much better mix without the engineer flub at the beginning, but there has been a layer of fake crowd noise added to it. The cassette also wobbles like a motherfucker.

Cool! I can only imagine that my copy will sound the same. I might still take a shot at it at some point - it's in my pile of to-dos (assuming I ever get around to it).


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so a version with the it's okay tag is in there but not the one from VA beach

at least VA beach i could understand in the post-Abruzzese era

instead the proposal is just a bunch of cheap knock offs with personal significance for the gen y tranche of fans

how about the SNL performance?

matt cameron could sprout another arm and still not tickle the hi hat as well

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UglyRedHonda wrote:
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
UglyRedHonda wrote:
Speaking of which - did anyone ever transfer the mix of the VMA performance (just "Animal") from the "Go" cassette? I've been meaning to transfer it myself.


I did. It's on the b-sides comp. It's a much better mix without the engineer flub at the beginning, but there has been a layer of fake crowd noise added to it. The cassette also wobbles like a motherfucker.

Cool! I can only imagine that my copy will sound the same. I might still take a shot at it at some point - it's in my pile of to-dos (assuming I ever get around to it).

I am tempted to use the VMA Animal, but still not convinced the tape source is up to scratch (the broadcast definitely isn’t). If you want to bump transferring tour copy up to the top of your to-do list to see if it’s any better we’d very much appreciate it :thumbsup:


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ridleybradout wrote:
UglyRedHonda wrote:
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
UglyRedHonda wrote:
Speaking of which - did anyone ever transfer the mix of the VMA performance (just "Animal") from the "Go" cassette? I've been meaning to transfer it myself.


I did. It's on the b-sides comp. It's a much better mix without the engineer flub at the beginning, but there has been a layer of fake crowd noise added to it. The cassette also wobbles like a motherfucker.

Cool! I can only imagine that my copy will sound the same. I might still take a shot at it at some point - it's in my pile of to-dos (assuming I ever get around to it).

I am tempted to use the VMA Animal, but still not convinced the tape source is up to scratch (the broadcast definitely isn’t). If you want to bump transferring tour copy up to the top of your to-do list to see if it’s any better we’d very much appreciate it :thumbsup:

UglyRedHonda kindly transferred his tape for us and unfortunately it's no better, so I think the VMA Animal needs to be rejected due to poor sound quality :(

I really want to use the Vegas version however not sure whether Ed's 'be careful' in the last chorus spoils it enough to reject it - thoughts?

There's also a great Matt version from Boston 2000-08-30, but I think this song really should be a Dave A version.


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ridleybradout wrote:
ridleybradout wrote:
UglyRedHonda wrote:
Wendy Carlos's Twin wrote:
UglyRedHonda wrote:
Speaking of which - did anyone ever transfer the mix of the VMA performance (just "Animal") from the "Go" cassette? I've been meaning to transfer it myself.


I did. It's on the b-sides comp. It's a much better mix without the engineer flub at the beginning, but there has been a layer of fake crowd noise added to it. The cassette also wobbles like a motherfucker.

Cool! I can only imagine that my copy will sound the same. I might still take a shot at it at some point - it's in my pile of to-dos (assuming I ever get around to it).

I am tempted to use the VMA Animal, but still not convinced the tape source is up to scratch (the broadcast definitely isn’t). If you want to bump transferring tour copy up to the top of your to-do list to see if it’s any better we’d very much appreciate it :thumbsup:

UglyRedHonda kindly transferred his tape for us and unfortunately it's no better, so I think the VMA Animal needs to be rejected due to poor sound quality :(

I really want to use the Vegas version however not sure whether Ed's 'be careful' in the last chorus spoils it enough to reject it - thoughts?

There's also a great Matt version from Boston 2000-08-30, but I think this song really should be a Dave A version.


At first I thought the "be careful" might be pretty cool, after a couple listens, it's cool, but doesn't sound that great.


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There are some really close calls to make on Vs tracks - here are the ones I'm currently torn on, for your discussion:

Go
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Atlanta 1994-04-03

Animal
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Atlanta 1994-04-03

Daughter
- Milan 2000-06-22
- Jones Beach 2000-08-24

Blood
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Orpheum 1994-04-12

Leash
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Rotterdam 1993-07-16

Indifference
- Indio 1993-11-05
- Atlanta 1994-04-03
- Yokohama 2003-03-01


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Did any of the '92 versions of Leash come under consideration?


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rimb wrote:
Did any of the '92 versions of Leash come under consideration?

Zurich did, but the sound quality isn’t quite up to the standard of the others.


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P E A R L J A M
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DEFINITIVE LIVE
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Compilation and artwork by ridleybradout
February 2018

FAN-MADE PROJECT - NOT FOR SALE

*Share freely but do not distribute as mp3*


It has been almost 13 years since the Green Habit Compilation was put together by the
Red Mosquito Forum community. As the band has now been together for double that length
of time, an update or sequel to this collection was well overdue. Hundreds of official
bootlegs later (including numerous 'vault' releases from the pre-bootleg era), every
song has been put up for review.

Red Mosquito forum users were invited to nominate and debate their favourite versions
of each song, for me to then go away and listen to each to make a final decision:
viewtopic.php?f=15&t=8556

There were a number of criteria for picking a definitive live version: sound quality,
correct lyrics, no guitar flubs, full band (if that is how the song was recorded in
the studio), electric rather than acoustic (again, if that is how the song was recorded),
and original era/drummer where possible (unless later versions had something really
special). Basically, if you had to represent the essence and power of each song through
one single live version - which would it be?

After a LOT of deliberation, this is what we came up with. Thank you to everyone for
your suggestions and for the discussion to date. This will be a constantly evolving
collection, so will be reviewed as new shows are played or released from the vault.
The best known source for each track has been used, and remastered by JWB only where
required to provide the smoothest possible listening experience.


Disc 01 'Ten'

1-01 Once (Hollywood 1991-10-06)
1-02 Even Flow (Orpheum 1994-04-12)
1-03 Alive (Drop In The Park 1992-09-20)
1-04 Why Go (Rotterdam 1993-07-16)
1-05 Black (Pistoia 2006-09-20)
1-06 Jeremy (Pinkpop 1992-06-08)
1-07 Oceans (San Diego 2006-07-07)
1-08 Porch (Drop In The Park 1992-09-20)
1-09 Garden (Atlanta 1994-04-03)
1-10 Deep (Las Vegas 1993-11-30)
1-11 Release (San Francisco 2006-07-18)

Disc 02 'Ten B-Sides'

2-01 Wash (Amsterdam 1992-02-12)
2-02 Alone (Orpheum 1994-04-12)
2-03 Brother (Melbourne 2009-11-20)
2-04 State Of Love And Trust (Atlanta 1994-04-03)
2-05 Breath (Honolulu 1992-09-26)
2-06 Footsteps (Houston 2000-10-15)
2-07 Hold On (Auckland 2009-11-27)
2-08 Bee Girl (St Johns 2005-09-25)
2-09 Let Me Sleep (Wrigley 2016-08-20)
2-10 Dirty Frank (Orpheum 1994-04-12)
2-11 Yellow Ledbetter (Hamburg 2000-06-26)
2-12 Angel (Bridge School 1992-11-01)
2-13 Just A Girl (Seattle 1990-10-22)



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Glad you guys are enjoying the first installment but there doesn't seem to be much appetite for discussion for Vs tracks - don't make me take this to the Pit!

ridleybradout wrote:
There are some really close calls to make on Vs tracks - here are the ones I'm currently torn on, for your discussion:

Go
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Atlanta 1994-04-03

Animal
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Atlanta 1994-04-03

Daughter
- Milan 2000-06-22
- Jones Beach 2000-08-24

Blood
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Orpheum 1994-04-12

Leash
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Rotterdam 1993-07-16

Indifference
- Indio 1993-11-05
- Atlanta 1994-04-03
- Yokohama 2003-03-01


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I do really like the Jones Beach Daughter

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I'll do some musak listening tonight and post what I think on these vs tracks.


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This is better than the actual album. I don't think I've ever listened to this Porch, holy shit.


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ridleybradout wrote:
There are some really close calls to make on Vs tracks - here are the ones I'm currently torn on, for your discussion:

Go
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Atlanta 1994-04-03

Animal
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Atlanta 1994-04-03

Daughter
- Milan 2000-06-22
- Jones Beach 2000-08-24

Blood
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Orpheum 1994-04-12

Leash
- Las Vegas 1993-11-30
- Rotterdam 1993-07-16

Indifference
- Indio 1993-11-05
- Atlanta 1994-04-03
- Yokohama 2003-03-01

I've already expressed my preferences on the first 3 songs. This morning I'll give the last 3 a listen.

I tend to pick the shortest versions of live stuff but Blood from the Orpheum kicks butt. (but I"d be happy with either really)

Leash from Las Vegas 1993 is good but honestly, I usually skip this song.

Indifference from Indio sounds very cool, really stripped down, if that works for your mix go for it.
But Atlanta 94 is a beautiful thing and is my pick.
Didn't care for the 2003 at all.

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