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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
stip wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
I’m not denying anyone’s emotional experience. But I do think it’s dubious that emotional reactions are being given so much weight because the film is a corporate-backed, mainstream venture. That is capitulation to corporatized art in an unsettling way; social import really only matters when loads of money and hype are behind it. But, again, maybe that’s just what social progress looks like in capitalist America now.
I don't think Black Panther would have happened without years/decades of less 'encumbered' art and philosophy and activism behind it. Disney is not the vanguard of change. But they are one of the cultural gatekeepers of mainstream acceptance. Whether or not that's a good thing is a separate conversation. Controlling for the fact that they are, their backing behind the movie and the message is super important because of the mainstream legitimacy that comes with it. An arthouse movie with this message may be able to be even bolder. But its reach would likely be tiny. This is a massive movie with incredible reach that plants a flag for representation in the most culturally significant (in terms of reach) film genre out there right now. Again, you can bemoan that superhero tent poles occupy that position, but that's a separate conversation. They do, and so this matters.
There will eventually be an openly gay superhero who interacts with a gay partner in a blockbuster movie. And that will matter not because it will be subversive. It will matter because its representation in a film like that sends the signal that being gay is no longer, in itself, something that needs to be thought of as subversive. It will have reached that point on the back of more interesting and challenging works of art that helped move the needle, but that film itself will be able to take the victory lap.
I mean...this is exactly what I’m saying, except you’re framing it positively. The fact that we have not just accepted - but joyously, rapturouously accepted - this “milestone” of representation simply because it is given wide reach thanks to a global corporation that is essentially the gatekeeper of visible art is deeply frightening to me. We are swallowing what they’re selling because the hype makes us feel good.
Hasn't this kind of always been the case? Mainstream art reflecting shifting cultural ideals/movements and being celebrated for it? Maybe not on this scale, but this has been done before.
Not really when it comes to movies. This concept of the blockbuster is a relatively new development, and the landscape being dominated by one corporation is unprecedented.
intellectually I agree that the one company dominance is troubling
My African friend Titi is watching this today for the fifth time
is he related to Dime?
Probably not unless Dime is Nigerian
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