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assumed the Annatar persona he attempted to befriend Gil-galad, Galadriel and Elrond and they told him to shove off. They didn't know who he really was but they didn't trust him. Celebrimbor fell for it.
The show runners are correct Galadriel was described as head strong and ambitious in her "youth" but she was counted among the wise she wasn't an idiot like she is on the show.
That’s how I remember it too. But given the way they seem to be playing with events, characters and both of those within a compressed timeline it’s hard to guess.
I really genuinely don’t hope we’re left with cliffhangers at the season finale.
There’s what, three cliffhangers potentially in play? It’s dragging the ass out of it if by the finale we dint know who the stranger, halbarad or Adar is
Not to mention the creepy alien looking blonde kid/cult leader(?) who went to the Star crater when the stranger fell
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Posted: Sat September 24, 2022 8:46 pm
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Yeah it's really hard to speculate how they are going to ultimately explain who some of these characters are since they are making so much of the story up even ignoring material they have actually access too. I mean Gil-galad asking Elrond to break a vow was really outrageous considering what oath's mean in the legendarium and how far people would go not to break them and the dire penalties tangibly and spiritually to those that did break them. I mean did the writers even watch Return of the King never mind pick up one of the books? It's character assassination really.
Then the power set that the stranger has doesn't jive with anyone it's like Valor level stuff. He can control fire, ice, heal himself and send out psychic shockwaves. That's doesn't describe anyone really. No idea about the cult people unless.....maybe the stranger is one of the blue wizards....the other blue wizard came earlier and went east fell under the influence of Sauron and sensing his brother's arrival sent the cult people to fetch him. That's such silly fan fiction it might work lol.
I'm pretty sure we are right about who Halbrand is but there is nothing keeping them for doing a fake out.
Adar I'm assuming is a captured/tortured/turned elf who is trying to build his own power base separate from Sauron but I could be way off with that too. Who knows....not even sure the writers know lol.
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Posted: Sun September 25, 2022 12:32 pm
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No can’t say I’ve ever heard of that. The only thing with Elrond and oaths I recall is he insisted the fellowship not swear oaths to each other and be free to come and go. The making and breaking of oaths is serious business. He was also directly affected by the oath of Feanor rather negatively.
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Posted: Fri September 30, 2022 3:23 pm
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This show is a hard watch. Difficult to see great characters distilled into inferior versions. Yikes.
Udûn could mean a couple things. There is a valley in Mordor (depicted in the last episode?) called Udûn. When Gandalf addresses the Balrog and says Udûn he is presumably using a shortened version of Utumno which was Morgoth's original Fortress and home of the Balrogs. So the episode title could be about Balrogs or it could just be fallout from that valley in the last episode. Durin's Bane wasn't awakened until the Third Age but that probably doesn't mean anything with this show.
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Posted: Fri September 30, 2022 5:50 pm
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I thought that episode was good, if a bit long--I guess it was just over an hour but it felt longer. I think the show suffers when it holds its focus on one thing for too long--I miss the harfoots whenever they don't appear. And dwarves.
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Posted: Fri September 30, 2022 9:22 pm
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I understand and agree with most of the criticisms the show is getting but, for whatever reason, I don't care. I'm enjoying it pretty thoroughly and dont find myself nit picking the way I have with Book of Boba Fett or Obi-Wan (although "nit picking" is too neutral a term for the way I experienced those two dumpster fires).
Production values certainly help and I think the acting and stunt work have been solid. I mentioned this before as well: there's a lot of baked-in goodwill because of how well these mesh with Jackson's trilogy.
I will say, though, the recurring "saved from death at the last second" thing they pulled two or three times in this episode was a bit much.
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Posted: Sat October 01, 2022 9:30 am
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We’re about to see Galadriel and that whole village survive a pyroclastic volcanic flow. They’re gonna either explain that away or just move along nothing to see here.
The first season of the show was filmed in New Zealand over an epic stretch of 18 months during the pandemic. For season 2, which will consist of eight episodes, Amazon switched the show’s production to the U.K., which is considered more economical and is also where the company is establishing a multi-show hub.
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Posted: Tue October 04, 2022 9:07 pm
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elliseamos wrote:
I've enjoyed each episode more than the one prior.
Almost the complete opposite for me. I had high hopes from the world building of early episodes, but the payoff has fallen completely flat. I don't care about any of the characters except for Galadriel and the standard of acting is quite poor across the board. A lot of it is just so jarringly corny.
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Posted: Wed October 05, 2022 1:04 pm
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Ello Sailor wrote:
elliseamos wrote:
I've enjoyed each episode more than the one prior.
Almost the complete opposite for me. I had high hopes from the world building of early episodes, but the payoff has fallen completely flat. I don't care about any of the characters except for Galadriel and the standard of acting is quite poor across the board. A lot of it is just so jarringly corny.
This. The wife and I haven't watched the last two, just doesn't seem worth spending our limited TV time on when HoD is pulling a Better Call Saul over on HBO.
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