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 Post subject: Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
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 Post subject: Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
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 Post subject: Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
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 Post subject: Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
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while i thought this was a terrific movie this squeeling about pushing for an oscar is absurd

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 Post subject: Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
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I don't think it's absurd by any means. I fucking love the push. Based on what I've seen so far, I honestly don't think Wonder Woman is the best picture of the year. But I'd love to see a big Oscar push result in more nominations in a wider variety of categories; especially for Patty Jenkins as Best Director. Again, I don't think I would vote for her where I in a situation to do so, but I do think she deserves a nomination. And if a big push can get her that nod, I think it's a pretty cool thing.


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 Post subject: Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
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I don't think it's absurd by any means. I fucking love the push. Based on what I've seen so far, I honestly don't think Wonder Woman is the best picture of the year. But I'd love to see a big Oscar push result in more nominations in a wider variety of categories; especially for Patty Jenkins as Best Director. Again, I don't think I would vote for her where I in a situation to do so, but I do think she deserves a nomination. And if a big push can get her that nod, I think it's a pretty cool thing.


I haven't seen the film yet, but what about it (the directing in this case) makes it stand out compared to other superhero movies?


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yeah, this is not a very special work.

Still, the oscars are such a joke i dont really care if she gets in...if she does, im betting is more a political thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
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durdencommatyler wrote:
I don't think it's absurd by any means. I fucking love the push. Based on what I've seen so far, I honestly don't think Wonder Woman is the best picture of the year. But I'd love to see a big Oscar push result in more nominations in a wider variety of categories; especially for Patty Jenkins as Best Director. Again, I don't think I would vote for her where I in a situation to do so, but I do think she deserves a nomination. And if a big push can get her that nod, I think it's a pretty cool thing.


I haven't seen the film yet, but what about it (the directing in this case) makes it stand out compared to other superhero movies?

It's a different kind of Superhero film, especially when compared to the previous DC outings so far. It's not anything revolutionary necessarily but it's a completely accomplished take on a fantastic character that up until this point hasn't been fully realized on screen. The film has a great energy which makes the experience feel all the more fresh and vital in a well-worn genre.

The tone is different. It has tremendous heart. There is a beautiful pulse of femininity that isn't out to emasculate or alienate or any of that other nonsense. It's not a political or overtly progressive (that one's for you RM) piece. It's not a statement film in that sense. But it's natural feminine point of view makes for a different kind of experience than we usually see. It's a real, strong, firm kind of natural power and presence. Which I think is beautiful.

Wonder Woman is layered and multidimensional in it's character portrayals. The action sequences have great flow and visual poetry and emotional stakes, as well. Many people (mostly women but not strictly so) have talked about how they found themselves moved (often to tears or full on sobs) during the action sequences. I know I share in that experience. I got teary and viscerally moved in three very specific action scenes. And I can't remember ever having those feelings, that kind of reaction to an action film before. Maybe it's happened but certainly not with any regularity. And it wasn't as memorable or powerful as this was, obviously. Because I don't remember it.

The pacing is fantastic. It's cathartic and hopeful. Great use of humor without drowning the film in syrup or silly-ness. And there's no forced sentimentality. It just feels fresh in a genre that is becoming over-saturated and rote. The movie has some of the same visual flair Snyder was going for, though it's not exactly the same. Jenkins' take is more like a variation on his theme: an homage while still being strikingly her own. But the characters are more accessible and likable than they were under Snyder. Of course, I'm basing this on general consensus (I haven't seen BvS but I would agree that the people in WW are more generally likable and fully fleshed out than in MoS) so, your results may vary here.

Each actor gives a fantastic performance. One of the biggest fears people had going into the movie was whether or not Gal Gadot was a competent enough actor to carry a film like this. Under Patty Jenkins those fears are absurd. This is the same director that got Charlize Theron an Oscar. Gal Gadot is lightning in this movie. And maybe she's just that good. Or maybe a lot of that is due to Jenkins' direction.

There are massive set pieces and subtle quiet scenes and both are given equal attention and weight by Jenkins. There's hardly a sense of having to get through something so we can just get on to the next something. I was never bored and dying for the next big explosion.

It sounds a bit like I'm gushing. I don't intent that. Wonder Woman is a flawed film, to be sure. But the things it does well are so strong that it feels pointless to pick on or overexpose and flog the flaws. A lot of what makes Wonder Women so good is its context, both culturally and in terms of its genre. It's not a game changer in a cinematic sense. But it does feel like a different kind of superhero film.

I would have no problem with the film being nominated for Cinematography, Art Direction, Make-up/Costume, Direction, Sound Design, Sound Editing, Editing, Score .... and I guess Best Picture (though, that's the one I'm farthest away from). I don't think it will win any of those, necessarily. It's not a lock for anything. But I think the movie is good enough to be in the general conversation (at this point) surrounding those categories.


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 Post subject: Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
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Monkey_Driven wrote:
durdencommatyler wrote:
I don't think it's absurd by any means. I fucking love the push. Based on what I've seen so far, I honestly don't think Wonder Woman is the best picture of the year. But I'd love to see a big Oscar push result in more nominations in a wider variety of categories; especially for Patty Jenkins as Best Director. Again, I don't think I would vote for her where I in a situation to do so, but I do think she deserves a nomination. And if a big push can get her that nod, I think it's a pretty cool thing.


I haven't seen the film yet, but what about it (the directing in this case) makes it stand out compared to other superhero movies?

It's a different kind of Superhero film, especially when compared to the previous DC outings so far. It's not anything revolutionary necessarily but it's a completely accomplished take on a fantastic character that up until this point hasn't been fully realized on screen. The film has a great energy which makes the experience feel all the more fresh and vital in a well-worn genre.

The tone is different. It has tremendous heart. There is a beautiful pulse of femininity that isn't out to emasculate or alienate or any of that other nonsense. It's not a political or overtly progressive (that one's for you RM) piece. It's not a statement film in that sense. But it's natural feminine point of view makes for a different kind of experience than we usually see. It's a real, strong, firm kind of natural power and presence. Which I think is beautiful.

Wonder Woman is layered and multidimensional in it's character portrayals. The action sequences have great flow and visual poetry and emotional stakes, as well. Many people (mostly women but not strictly so) have talked about how they found themselves moved (often to tears or full on sobs) during the action sequences. I know I share in that experience. I got teary and viscerally moved in three very specific action scenes. And I can't remember ever having those feelings, that kind of reaction to an action film before. Maybe it's happened but certainly not with any regularity. And it wasn't as memorable or powerful as this was, obviously. Because I don't remember it.

The pacing is fantastic. It's cathartic and hopeful. Great use of humor without drowning the film in syrup or silly-ness. And there's no forced sentimentality. It just feels fresh in a genre that is becoming over-saturated and rote. The movie has some of the same visual flair Snyder was going for, though it's not exactly the same. Jenkins' take is more like a variation on his theme: an homage while still being strikingly her own. But the characters are more accessible and likable than they were under Snyder. Of course, I'm basing this on general consensus (I haven't seen BvS but I would agree that the people in WW are more generally likable and fully fleshed out than in MoS) so, your results may vary here.

Each actor gives a fantastic performance. One of the biggest fears people had going into the movie was whether or not Gal Gadot was a competent enough actor to carry a film like this. Under Patty Jenkins those fears are absurd. This is the same director that got Charlize Theron an Oscar. Gal Gadot is lightning in this movie. And maybe she's just that good. Or maybe a lot of that is due to Jenkins' direction.

There are massive set pieces and subtle quiet scenes and both are given equal attention and weight by Jenkins. There's hardly a sense of having to get through something so we can just get on to the next something. I was never bored and dying for the next big explosion.

It sounds a bit like I'm gushing. I don't intent that. Wonder Woman is a flawed film, to be sure. But the things it does well are so strong that it feels pointless to pick on or overexpose and flog the flaws. A lot of what makes Wonder Women so good is its context, both culturally and in terms of its genre. It's not a game changer in a cinematic sense. But it does feel like a different kind of superhero film.

I would have no problem with the film being nominated for Cinematography, Art Direction, Make-up/Costume, Direction, Sound Design, Sound Editing, Editing, Score .... and I guess Best Picture (though, that's the one I'm farthest away from). I don't think it will win any of those, necessarily. It's not a lock for anything. But I think the movie is good enough to be in the general conversation (at this point) surrounding those categories.


God damnit, now I want to see this.


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I highly recommend it, M_D. It's a fantastic action/superhero film.


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I highly recommend it, M_D. It's a fantastic action/superhero film.


Might have to be an after the wife goes asleep type of movie. She has zero interest in these.


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 Post subject: Re: Wonder Woman (2017)
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durdencommatyler wrote:
I highly recommend it, M_D. It's a fantastic action/superhero film.


Might have to be an after the wife goes asleep type of movie. She has zero interest in these.

FWIW, my wife is totally burnt out on the Superhero genre. She's completely over it and didn't really want to see WW. I had to talk it up for weeks before it dropped. And even then, it wasn't until friends were trying to organize group outings that she finally agreed to go. But that was more just to hang out with friends than because she had any interest in the film.

I'm sure you can tell where this is going.

She loved it. She's a way bigger fan of the movie than even I am. She fucking LOVES it.


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