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I wrote an exam in journalism where we could pick our own topic, and I chose to write about the women in Star Trek. However, when Trek gets too preachy and correct, it loses its focus. It should be about good stories.
There are plenty of reasons why a Trek Episode can be great, or even awful. I have seen all of them at least twice. Some of the best come from simple ideas, or universal human ideals. The worst try too hard, or in the completely opposite direction, they fall flat in misguided action or meaningless tech talk.
Darmok, The City On The Edge Of Forever, Dear Doctor or The Wrath Of Khan, to name a few, dazzles us with their brilliance and even at times, their ideas. But they never preach or seem utopian.
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Well, I'm more of a TNG guy, and that show is absolutely a utopian vision, which was always what I responded to most strongly. The show would lose its meaning without its underlying social consciousness (which is definitely also there in TOS).
TNG is too utopian, and that is why it often falls flat. Still there are plenty of episodes that don't fall into that trap. The actors were great, the production stellar, lots of talented writers. Babylon 5 is still miles better.
The original Trek was the real game changer. They even used top sci-fi writers to assist them. Meaning deeper and better stories, less of an impossible dream.
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TNG is too utopian, and that is why it often falls flat. Still there are plenty of episodes that don't fall into thst trap. The actors were great, the production stellar, lots of talented writers. Babylon 5 is still miles better.
TNG is too utopian, and that is why it often falls flat. Still there are plenty of episodes that don't fall into thst trap. The actors were great, the production stellar, lots of talented writers. Babylon 5 is still miles better.
I have watched Babylon 5 with several Trek fans, and once we hit season 2 through 4, there has never been any disagreement about what was the best show. Star Trek even stole large parts of DS9 from B5.
B5 laid the groundwork for series like Homicide, Sopranos, The Wire, Game Of Thrones, and the entire tv revolution. A show with one large arc, a beginning, a middle and an end.
Watched the first two episodes. I have to imagine this is the Nu Trek Universe. The Klingon redesign is pretty bad. Awful really. The Klingon dialogue was painful to sit through. I was hoping the various houses would be made up of TOS and TNG versions as well as this new version but no. Missed opportunity to wrap in Worf's comments from the DS9 Tribbles episode. Oh well. The special effects were good. I liked the Captain and Number 1 was fine. I liked the cowardly Science Officer. The story was OK. Sort of the last couple TNG movie level is my best comparison plot wise. Most Star Trek series take a while to get going and pilots tend to be clunky in general so in that spirit its too soon to call but it's better than I feared. I'll keep watching.
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