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Post subject: Re: Post Random Movie-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Thu October 28, 2021 3:44 pm
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Christopher Nolan and Denis Villeneuve are obviously related and similar in a lot of ways. They don't make bad movies, but I also don't think they make great movies. I think it's more that their movies are great accomplishments. And not just on a technical level, even a storytelling level. But, perhaps because they are executed so well and so cleanly, the movies lack a certain vitality that keeps them from being great, maybe
Post subject: Re: Post Random Movie-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Thu October 28, 2021 4:02 pm
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The Argonaut wrote:
Christopher Nolan and Denis Villeneuve are obviously related and similar in a lot of ways. They don't make bad movies, but I also don't think they make great movies. I think it's more that their movies are great accomplishments. And not just on a technical level, even a storytelling level. But, perhaps because they are executed so well and so cleanly, the movies lack a certain vitality that keeps them from being great, maybe
They are kinda representative of the best that can exist under the current iteration of Hollywood I think. They are filmmakers who make movies that appeal to corporate execs. This doesn't mean that they are bad or that they are sellouts, just that their movies are more likely to get made right now than people with other aesthetics. More so for Nolan than Villeneuve.
Post subject: Re: Post Random Movie-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Fri October 29, 2021 3:36 pm
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BurtReynolds wrote:
The Argonaut wrote:
Christopher Nolan and Denis Villeneuve are obviously related and similar in a lot of ways. They don't make bad movies, but I also don't think they make great movies. I think it's more that their movies are great accomplishments. And not just on a technical level, even a storytelling level. But, perhaps because they are executed so well and so cleanly, the movies lack a certain vitality that keeps them from being great, maybe
They are kinda representative of the best that can exist under the current iteration of Hollywood I think. They are filmmakers who make movies that appeal to corporate execs. This doesn't mean that they are bad or that they are sellouts, just that their movies are more likely to get made right now than people with other aesthetics. More so for Nolan than Villeneuve.
I don't think they're sellouts at all. I think they're making exactly the kind of movies they want to be making. I just think whatever little magic that makes something jump to another level is missing from their movies, whatever that means. It is true that there are only a handful of directors that seem to be given free reign to do whatever they'd like within the studio system. Nolan is one, Villeneuve is just about one. I guess Paul Thomas Anderson and Wes Anderson are, too, on another side of the spectrum. The trend of shoving talented up-and-coming or too-long-neglected indie directors into the Marvel box or the Star Wars box is often the case. Taika Waititi is pretty much the only one who has made that work. Most others come out looking worse for wear. It elevates seasoned TV directors, like the Russo brothers, but it seems to not be great for most anyone else. Patty Jenkins is making it work, I guess.
Post subject: Re: Post Random Movie-Related Thoughts You Have
Posted: Fri October 29, 2021 3:40 pm
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I think the “appeal to corporate execs” narrative is a bit overstated relative to Dune. I don’t see any obvious merchandising opps or anything like that. The fans of the novel seem to be pretty satisfied, and the movie doesn’t follow nearly the same crowd-pleasing template as Star Wars or Marvel stuff. Dune feels like hardcore sci-fi that’s been marketed as a must-see blockbuster.
Reading Dune Messiah now and it's remarkable how similar Dune and Dune Messiah are to The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi. I wonder if Lucasfilm was consciously inspired by the themes/narrative structure of those Dune books. Obviously there are aesthetic differences. I'm really talking about theme and structure. Specifically the sort of (very minor spoiler for Dune Messiah)
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I doubt it'll do that well. What's the marketing budget on this thing?
