She was in the middle of a big career upswing that involved surgery and coma.

I'm always late to the party.

As opposed to a cancelled CBS comedy?

Robin Williams was brilliant, but what were all the movies people were quoting? Good Will Hunting is 15+ years old. Dead Poets Society is what, 20, 25? Hell even One Hour Photo is a decade old. Joan Rivers was still very very visible in Hollywood through all her cable fashion shows, and things like that. It's just not someone that's going to have an impact on an educated white male such as yourself. And there is nothing wrong with that, but to pin your indifference on the passage of time is the equivalent of stip blaming everything on his kids.

Visible in recent years for carving a career out of carving other people up and being 'funny' at other peoples expense because of whatever they were wearing. hardly relevant in any broad sense and a weak and mean version of her former self.

I'm a big fan of this new Skitch account. He has bite.

What point are you arguing here, that Joan Rivers is a bigger loss than Robin Williams because she was more visible in recent years?
Not poking holes, just trying to get to the root of your argument.

Nobody's arguing visibility, Skitcher. I'm just saying, you know...so what?

Her entire contribution at this point in her life was "that's that weird lady with all the surgeries who talks about what stars are wearing and is kinda catty in an old people way." It's not a contribution that warrants any standing around pretending that we've lost something.

Robin Williams could at least say he was still involved in a craft that sometimes resulted in works that affected people, or that wanted to be of more lasting worth than a joke about Rene Zellwiger's face. World's Greatest Dad comes to mind. He might have had further accomplishments...works that might have really mattered to some people...and if so, we lost those. At the very least, we can say that he was still trying.

There was apparently a time in Joan's life where the same could have been said. In terms of professional works, that time is past, and her loss is no loss.

If you want to feel for her family, I'm all for it. If you want to pretend that being a gossip on television made her significant, have fun I guess.

I just thought she was funny. Once someone gets over 80 the 'great loss' thing kinda goes away. So in that way Robin Williams death was more personally affecting even though I probably laughed more with Joan the Robin. Let's face it Robin Williams could get pretty annoying.

What about the starving children in Africa?

They're funny too.

Robin Williams was very annoying most of the time with some brilliance scattered about.

Not arguing that one or the other was a bigger loss in actuality.

Just curious why you guys were somewhat dismissive of the death of Joan Rivers based on lack of recent visibility, but were not making the same points about Robin Williams, and if i recall, were both very upset by his death.

If it comes from a personal impact they had on your lives, or even view of entertainment, that I can wholeheartedly agree with and understand. But it's disingenuous to blame it on recent output.

Where did you get that I was dismissive of her death "based on lack of recent visibility"?

yours wasn't as dismissive as I remembered it being jorge

IIRC, this was in direct response to DcT's statement that he hadn't paid attention to Joan Rivers' work in recent years.

and Im not nearly as bothered by this as my posts look like.

Just pointing it out.

In large part because I really don't give a shit about celebrity deaths.