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Feels very strange that Daenarys would agree to an alliance with Cersei at this point. Even with the army of the dead. I really can't see the three armies working together.
Besides that the season does feel rushed. They are travelling great diatances in seconds, and even with time passing in between, with the way the scenes mix, it doesn't make sense. The mission beyond the wall, the people on it, and how they are prepared, also seemed really off.
The fast traveling doesn't bother me. It is the lack of character development to understand their motivations and tactics that is the problem.
Which motivations and tactics are you thinking of?
All of the battles have seemed rushed. Part of it is for the element of surprise to the viewer, but the logistics of these battles are left unexplained.
The scenes around the Painted Table have seemed rushed.
Jaime/Cersei has been rushed.
Jon and Dany's relationship is progressing at warp speed.
The Starks at Winterfell have been rushed. Arya "knows" Sansa's true motivations and they've spent like 2 scenes together since they were reunited.
Assembling the Avengers to go north of the wall all happened in like 20 minutes of this episode. Rushed.
In previous seasons all of these would have been explored/shown in much more detail.
Yes, I really loved last week's episode, and have enjoyed the season, but I agree with most of those. There should be more room for relationships to evolve, more scenes between characters to flesh out what is happening, a feel of time passing and people travelling. With the amount of time that has passed elsewhere, Arya might have been back to Winterfell for months already. But it's impossible to tell.
It gets tougher as more characters come together. In previous seasons those bits of traveling were broken up by scenes with other characters. Now everyone is only in a few locations.
Still, I wish their was more dialogue with a natural conversational tone and less explaining what they are doing to move the plot along.
I just.... I don't know. I feel like we've had over 80 hours of character development and we're moving in the final act of a major, major epic fantasy tale. There are still some character pieces that need to fall into place. There are still some mysteries to solve or whatever. But we know who these people are at this point. I don't have a problem with the ratio of character moments to plot/forward action moments right now.
I just want the action to flow from what's already been established. I want the character's choices to make sense for the characters and/or for the circumstance the character finds him/herself in.
Last night's episode was my least favorite of this new season. But it wasn't a bad episode by any stretch. It did feel rushed. Right now Gendry's return feels pointless, but let's see where it goes and how it plays out. I hate that Jamie and Bronn got out of their situation so easily. That was probably the thing that bugged me the most.
I just.... I don't know. I feel like we've had over 80 hours of character development and we're moving in the final act of a major, major epic fantasy tale. There are still some character pieces that need to fall into place. There are still some mysteries to solve or whatever. But we know who these people are at this point. I don't have a problem with the ratio of character moments to plot/forward action moments right now.
I just want the action to flow from what's already been established. I want the character's choices to make sense for the characters and/or for the circumstance the character finds him/herself in.
Last night's episode was my least favorite of this new season. But it wasn't a bad episode by any stretch. It did feel rushed. Right now Gendry's return feels pointless, but let's see where it goes and how it plays out. I hate that Jamie and Bronn got out of their situation so easily. That was probably the thing that bugged me the most.
Otherwise... a totally fine episode.
Yeah, it wasn't a bad episode by any means. Just really rushed.
I thought Gendry's reintroduction was fine. He's not that important of a character really.
I don't know what Arya's problem is with Sansa.
I think that's exactly why it rubbed me the wrong way. There was so much time between his departure and his return that I built it up. I kept thinking that when he did return, it would be for a reason and super important. That's on me more than the show. But I was underwhelmed. Mainly because so far there's no reason why it needs to be Gendry. Anybody could have gone on with Jon and Co. And listening to D&D talk about it after the episode, Dan basically says, "We didn't know what to do with Davos on the beach. We didn't think it was interesting for him to just sit and wait with the boat. So, we thought, hey what about Gendry? We could squeeze him in now right?! People love him!"
And that's kinda how it felt. Again, not a deal breaker or anything. Just awkward. But maybe there will be a bigger/better payoff for it.
I thought Gendry's reintroduction was fine. He's not that important of a character really.
I don't know what Arya's problem is with Sansa.
I think that's exactly why it rubbed me the wrong way. There was so much time between his departure and his return that I built it up. I kept thinking that when he did return, it would be for a reason and super important. That's on me more than the show. But I was underwhelmed. Mainly because so far there's no reason why it needs to be Gendry. Anybody could have gone on with Jon and Co. And listening to D&D talk about it after the episode, Dan basically says, "We didn't know what to do with Davos on the beach. We didn't think it was interesting for him to just sit and wait with the boat. So, we thought, hey what about Gendry? We could squeeze him in now right?! People love him!"
And that's kinda how it felt. Again, not a deal breaker or anything. Just awkward. But maybe there will be a bigger/better payoff for it.
It would have been better if they sent him off to Storm's End to train to be its heir.
I think everyone but Jon dies fulfilling the Long Night/Last Hero story:
The last hero determined to seek out the children, in the hopes that their ancient magics could win back what the armies of men had lost. He set out into the dead lands with a sword, a horse, a dog, and a dozen companions. For years he searched until he despaired of ever finding the children of the forest in their secret cities. One by one his friends died, and his horse, and finally even his dog, and his sword froze so hard the blade snapped when he tried to use it.
Edit: I bet about half of the party dies. You all have convinced me that the show doesn't want to kill off all these characters.
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Post subject: Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Mon August 14, 2017 7:52 pm
AnalLog
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I'm thinking the heavy drinker guy (thoros of myr) is a gonner. Maybe Jorah?
I think most of them should die but very few will. The show is suddenly keeping characters alive (outside of the Tarly's). Maybe saving everyone for season 8.
I have no idea what they're up to with Jorah. It does seem weird to save his life just to kill him here.
Right?
Jon definitely survives. Jorah is a likely yes based on his screen time this season. Hound should be a yes. Gendry should be a yes too. Tormund is the face of the wildings, so he's probably a yes. Beric and Thoros are dead men walking.
Post subject: Re: HBO: Game of Thrones (Song of Ice and Fire)
Posted: Mon August 14, 2017 9:00 pm
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Is there any major house that would shift sides according to their loyalty to House Baratheon? How might Gendry's return be a device to shift larger alliances?
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