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 Post subject: Re: What are you currently reading?
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That’s awesome. Any good insights to how she got her first publishing deal? Not asking for details, just curious if you’ve had that conversation with her.

It was a lot of factors. She finished her MFA in writing at the New School a few years ago. That put her in excellent networking position, obviously. Then there were two writer's retreats/conferences she attended where she met her agent and one of her editors. Then she finished the book, submitted to the agent, and the agent shopped it. Viking picked it up and here we are.

She's deep into her first draft of the next book now -- it's a ghost story of sorts, apparently. We're actually having drinks with her and her husband on Monday night. It'll be the first time we've hung out since my wife and I both finished the book. Can't wait to chat more specifics with her.

is she also from KCMO, or did she get ideas from you?

seems all too coincidental now that the "deer" is out of the bag.

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That’s awesome. Any good insights to how she got her first publishing deal? Not asking for details, just curious if you’ve had that conversation with her.

It was a lot of factors. She finished her MFA in writing at the New School a few years ago. That put her in excellent networking position, obviously. Then there were two writer's retreats/conferences she attended where she met her agent and one of her editors. Then she finished the book, submitted to the agent, and the agent shopped it. Viking picked it up and here we are.

She's deep into her first draft of the next book now -- it's a ghost story of sorts, apparently. We're actually having drinks with her and her husband on Monday night. It'll be the first time we've hung out since my wife and I both finished the book. Can't wait to chat more specifics with her.

is she also from KCMO, or did she get ideas from you?

seems all too coincidental now that the "deer" is out of the bag.

Ha!

A few years ago she took a trip to KC. I didn't know at the time it was a research trip at all. But we did talk about KC before she went. We recommended places to check out and talked about growing up there. But I don't think she pulled anything specifically from me or my wife, no.

Erin is not from KC. I think she wanted to set part of the book in the middle of the country for (what will be obvious reasons once you're into the book).


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cant wait to get Heat 2.

I never read the first one.


Its a motion picture directed by the great Michael Mann, featuring Pacino and De Niro. The movie has cemented itself as one of the great classics of our generation, and influenced lots of artists over the year.

Its not a book. I repeat, there is no book.

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VinylGuy wrote:
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cant wait to get Heat 2.

I never read the first one.


Its a motion picture directed by the great Michael Mann, featuring Pacino and De Niro. The movie has cemented itself as one of the great classics of our generation, and influenced lots of artists over the year.

Its not a book. I repeat, there is no book.

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i am also looking forward to the sequel of the not a book.

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Heat 2 is real to me, dammit.

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Mann already said the movie will happen.

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Mann already said the movie will happen.

But not the book?


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epilogue wrote:
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Mann already said the movie will happen.

But not the book?

No I heard there will be a book.

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BurtReynolds wrote:
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Mann already said the movie will happen.

But not the book?

No I heard there will be a book.

but will there be a sequel to the book?

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Mann already said the movie will happen.

But not the book?

No I heard there will be a book.

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Mann already said the movie will happen.

But not the book?

No I heard there will be a book.

but will there be a sequel to the book?

Yes it will be called Heat 2 2.

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BurtReynolds wrote:
dad wrote:
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Mann already said the movie will happen.

But not the book?

No I heard there will be a book.

but will there be a sequel to the book?

Yes it will be called Heat 2 2.

i look forward to reading it.

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That’s awesome. Getting an agent is one of those mysterious things I’ve always been curious about. When I was working on the record biz, there were a couple times I worked with an unknown who had real potential and that was my advice. But I didn’t have the know-how to make it happen.

I love all that old entertainment biz shit, while simultaneously loathing it. I love how the democratization of distribution has upended the game, but I still respect when those can make inroads with the gatekeeper approach.

I often feel if I were born ten years earlier or ten years later, I would’ve had much higher odds of finding creative success. When I was pursuing that stuff, my development was perfectly aligned with the timeline of changing dynamics, but I didn’t have the awareness to treat the shifts with any sort of intention.

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These days it's more of a quantity game, sadly. If you're slow like me, it's tough. Gotta provide that content!

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Yeah that seems to be the case: Drive traffic with content, generate your own value with paid sponsorships or ad placements, then go to the gate keepers


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I caught the tail end of algorithm-free Instagram and the Kickstarter boom. Gave me enough cash and audience to attract an agent, but I mostly view the publishing stuff as a bonus rather than the main thing. It's hard to make a living at that. Authors aren't getting rich off publishing deals, that's for sure.

Even movie deals aren't that big any more, unless you can get a bidding war going (you can't).

I listened to a lot of self-publishing podcasts for awhile and it sounds like a lot of the ones who got filthy rich when it first blew up are struggling now. But then again, they are mostly really awful writers, so maybe that has something to do with it. Still, they had some useful info.

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Great post. Sincerely.


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The publishing industry is...not a healthy place.

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