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Post subject: Re: ITT: Movies RM user dad Has Never Watched
Posted: Sun September 04, 2022 2:49 pm
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Anders wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Anders wrote:
Tombstone is better than Heat. I agree, on an objective level, Goodfellas is tough to beat.
Out of the modern westerns (1985 onwards), Tombstone is one of the very best.
Out of all movies of all genres, of all time, Heat is one of the very best
I can’t agree with that. It’s pretty good.
Which thread were you posting in when you watched Heat?
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
Post subject: Re: ITT: Movies RM user dad Has Never Watched
Posted: Sun September 04, 2022 3:01 pm
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I don’t think of Heat as a Michael Mann movie, nor a DeNiro movie, nor a Pacino movie. It’s a cinephile movie. It does things with film making techniques — lighting, framing, plot, dialogue, character development — that transcend the names of its creators to offer something deeply enjoyable as a pure example of the power of the medium.
Goodfellas is much the same.
I can’t say that about Tombstone. It’s a great western! It’s not going to be taught in film making school 50 years from now.
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I don’t think of Heat as a Michael Mann movie, nor a DeNiro movie, nor a Pacino movie. It’s a cinephile movie. It does things with film making techniques — lighting, plot, character development — that transcend the names of its creators to offer something deeply enjoyable as a pure example of the power of the medium.
Goodfellas is much the same.
I can’t say that about Tombstone. It’s a great western! It’s not going to be taught in film making school 50 years from now.
I agree that Heat is very well made movie. Nevertheless, the acting in Tombstone, the relationships between the characters, the detail in dialogue, costumes, guns, historical accuracy, makes it a true standalone movie. One which had been carefully studied by many directors. Also Val Kilmer’s role is far and away better than any performance in Heat. The climax of the movie is delivered with a greater pathos than anything Heat is close to.
Post subject: Re: ITT: Movies RM user dad Has Never Watched
Posted: Sun September 04, 2022 3:16 pm
Production Police
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 47166 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
Anders wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
I don’t think of Heat as a Michael Mann movie, nor a DeNiro movie, nor a Pacino movie. It’s a cinephile movie. It does things with film making techniques — lighting, plot, character development — that transcend the names of its creators to offer something deeply enjoyable as a pure example of the power of the medium.
Goodfellas is much the same.
I can’t say that about Tombstone. It’s a great western! It’s not going to be taught in film making school 50 years from now.
I agree that Heat is very well made movie. Nevertheless, the acting in Tombstone, the relationships between the characters, the detail in dialogue, costumes, guns, historical accuracy, makes it a true standalone movie. One which had been carefully studied by many directors. Also Val Kilmer’s role is far and away better than any performance in Heat. The climax of the movie is delivered with a greater pathos than anything Heat is close to.
Oh my god Anders!Heat has one of the best film climaxes of all time!
Post subject: Re: ITT: Movies RM user dad Has Never Watched
Posted: Sun September 04, 2022 3:19 pm
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Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 47166 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
The only thing that keeps Goodfellas a notch below Heat is time. It’s techniques have been so widely replicated now that I’m skeptical it would feel as impactful for user dad because he’s seen some of its tricks employed elsewhere since.
I don’t think of Heat as a Michael Mann movie, nor a DeNiro movie, nor a Pacino movie. It’s a cinephile movie. It does things with film making techniques — lighting, plot, character development — that transcend the names of its creators to offer something deeply enjoyable as a pure example of the power of the medium.
Goodfellas is much the same.
I can’t say that about Tombstone. It’s a great western! It’s not going to be taught in film making school 50 years from now.
I agree that Heat is very well made movie. Nevertheless, the acting in Tombstone, the relationships between the characters, the detail in dialogue, costumes, guns, historical accuracy, makes it a true standalone movie. One which had been carefully studied by many directors. Also Val Kilmer’s role is far and away better than any performance in Heat. The climax of the movie is delivered with a greater pathos than anything Heat is close to.
Oh my god Anders!Heat has one of the best film climaxes of all time!
I could say the same for Tombstone, but I don’t feel that way about Heat. I do however really like the opening of Heat.
With that said, filming techniques is not what gets my pulse going. A great story, great acting, great suspense (or humor if that kind of movie), and a great plot does.
Post subject: Re: ITT: Movies RM user dad Has Never Watched
Posted: Sun September 04, 2022 4:52 pm
Production Police
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 47166 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
Anders wrote:
With that said, filming techniques is not what gets my pulse going. A great story, great acting, great suspense (or humor if that kind of movie), and a great plot does.
Yeah I think this is a fair place to land. Different things to value in these movies. The story in Heat is also great, but it’s a bit dense and impenetrable; Tombstone is maybe more immediately satisfying in that regard.
Post subject: Re: ITT: Movies RM user dad Has Never Watched
Posted: Sun September 04, 2022 8:39 pm
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tragabigzanda wrote:
The only thing that keeps Goodfellas a notch below Heat is time. It’s techniques have been so widely replicated now that I’m skeptical it would feel as impactful for user dad because he’s seen some of its tricks employed elsewhere since.
I feel like you’re giving me way too much credit here. I’m not that perceptive. I appreciate it though.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Guys I was baked out of my mind, I was just grooving
Post subject: Re: ITT: Movies RM user dad Has Never Watched
Posted: Sun September 04, 2022 9:01 pm
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Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 6:02 am Posts: 9712 Location: Tristes Tropiques
Tombstone a step beneath the other two. Goodfellas is the most fun to watch.
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
The only thing that keeps Goodfellas a notch below Heat is time. It’s techniques have been so widely replicated now that I’m skeptical it would feel as impactful for user dad because he’s seen some of its tricks employed elsewhere since.
I feel like you’re giving me way too much credit here. I’m not that perceptive. I appreciate it though.
Look forward to hearing your thoughts on the movie you choose.
With that said, filming techniques is not what gets my pulse going. A great story, great acting, great suspense (or humor if that kind of movie), and a great plot does.
Yeah I think this is a fair place to land. Different things to value in these movies. The story in Heat is also great, but it’s a bit dense and impenetrable; Tombstone is maybe more immediately satisfying in that regard.
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