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Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 6:02 am Posts: 9712 Location: Tristes Tropiques
Trying to imagine thinking that there's even remotely a central conflict in this show without the chaos energy of Ava's character.
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 6:02 am Posts: 9712 Location: Tristes Tropiques
tragabigzanda wrote:
Mickey wrote:
Trying to imagine thinking that there's even remotely a central conflict in this show without the chaos energy of Ava's character.
Something with terrorists maybe
Oh well that'd be fun.
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 6:02 am Posts: 9712 Location: Tristes Tropiques
Without the impulses which come from Ava (and absent the introduction of what would almost certainly be a more ludicrous premise) Deborah doesn't have any motivation to do any of the things that made the end of the season so compelling. Left to her own devices, it'd be the story of her trying to blackmail Marty and failing while her staff slowly start to reevaluate their lives in anticipation of her final show. Bored. Ava has chaos energy, she drives the show even as she's a mostly unlikeable character.
And it's *most* of a PhD.
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 6:02 am Posts: 9712 Location: Tristes Tropiques
All of an agent tho.
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
yeah, guys...wtf...the weakest part of the show?....she is awesome...the character is great, the performance is top notch...i refreshing to see such a weird, complex and selfish girl in tv.
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 6:02 am Posts: 9712 Location: Tristes Tropiques
The only part of Ava's story I didn't buy was the joke she got cancelled for. Seemed a little flimsy, even in Burt's darkest cancel culture nightmare. My guess is that they were wary of making a truly cancelable joke on the show and getting meta cancelled.
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
Without the impulses which come from Ava (and absent the introduction of what would almost certainly be a more ludicrous premise) Deborah doesn't have any motivation to do any of the things that made the end of the season so compelling. Left to her own devices, it'd be the story of her trying to blackmail Marty and failing while her staff slowly start to reevaluate their lives in anticipation of her final show. Bored. Ava has chaos energy, she drives the show even as she's a mostly unlikeable character.
And it's *most* of a PhD.
I don't disagree with most of you said here. But what you said here doesn't negate anything Trag and I said.
i think the joke being super stupid might be a joke itself.
I think it helps illustrate that Eva’s not as funny as she thinks she is
of course, but also i think its a commentary on this moment on culture. There are a lot of jokes about it.
I totally get why that's your take. But I don't think that's the case. But that's art, man. You get to take what you want from it. I don't think yours is an unfair or ludicrous reading.
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VinylGuy wrote:
the scene with ava, deborah and the other stand up artist drinking coffee is a perfect example of this.
Its brilliant.
This was great. Basically every scene where Deborah is like “you don’t know how easy you’ve got it” is great.
I think the two Ava scenes I really enjoyed were when she got the pepper mill, and the montage scene of her and Deborah bonding while developing her new hour was great.
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 6:02 am Posts: 9712 Location: Tristes Tropiques
epilogue wrote:
Mickey wrote:
Without the impulses which come from Ava (and absent the introduction of what would almost certainly be a more ludicrous premise) Deborah doesn't have any motivation to do any of the things that made the end of the season so compelling. Left to her own devices, it'd be the story of her trying to blackmail Marty and failing while her staff slowly start to reevaluate their lives in anticipation of her final show. Bored. Ava has chaos energy, she drives the show even as she's a mostly unlikeable character.
And it's *most* of a PhD.
I don't disagree with most of you said here. But what you said here doesn't negate anything Trag and I said.
I don't disagree either!
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VinylGuy wrote:
its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.
the scene with ava, deborah and the other stand up artist drinking coffee is a perfect example of this.
Its brilliant.
This was great. Basically every scene where Deborah is like “you don’t know how easy you’ve got it” is great.
I think the two Ava scenes I really enjoyed were when she got the pepper mill, and the montage scene of her and Deborah bonding while developing her new hour was great.
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