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Post subject: Re: Movie: Dune (2021) (It’s alright; you should bother)
Posted: Thu March 21, 2024 3:19 pm
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I'm rewatching Dune 1 after having seen 2 and it being stuck in my mind. I'm noticing some interesting details.
In the beginning, Chani introduces us to the Harkonnen's and the Fremen's situation, saying how the emperor has called on the Harkonnens to leave the planet Arakis, and she says something along the lines of "I wonder who our next oppressors will be" and then the next shot is Paul Atreides, already cluing the audience in to the fact that Paul Atreides is going to be their next oppressor (though I disagree, I believe Paul is a hero, it is Denis' opinion).
In Paul's and Gurney's practice fight while still on their home planet Caladan, Paul assumes himself to have won, but then Gurney has a sneaky knife aimed at Paul's midsection. I noticed that this is how Paul's fight with Feyd-Ratha ends in part 2. Paul learned that technique from Gurney.
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Post subject: Re: Movie: Dune (2021) (It’s alright; you should bother)
Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 4:13 am
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tree_ wrote:
already cluing the audience in to the fact that Paul Atreides is going to be their next oppressor (though I disagree, I believe Paul is a hero, it is Denis' opinion).
He's both. Oppression is simply the mechanism by which he will become one (at least, until
Post subject: Re: Movie: Dune (2021) (It’s alright; you should bother)
Posted: Fri March 22, 2024 1:24 pm
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Ensign9 wrote:
tree_ wrote:
already cluing the audience in to the fact that Paul Atreides is going to be their next oppressor (though I disagree, I believe Paul is a hero, it is Denis' opinion).
He's both. Oppression is simply the mechanism by which he will become one (at least, until
How is he an oppressor? Leto 2 definitely is, as a means of course, but Paul? He is but the spark that lit the Fremen's fury, gave them purpose to oppress others. But really there was no other way. What should have Paul done instead?
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His jihad is about to kill billions of people who don't support him and his religious movement.
He's doing this to save the human race over a many thousands of years timeframe.
He's not supposed to do anything differently -- this is his necessary burden to carry: the Golden Path.
Which he subsequently abandons in Messiah and Leto II later picks back up.
Which leads me back to my original point: Paul is not the Fremen's "next oppressor", despite what Denis implies
I’d say the BG are the real oppressors. What is oppression if not subverting another’s own will?
Yeah, no shite. They are behind putting all this in motion to begin with. Paul is nothing but their breeding plans gone awry. If their plans went as they had hoped and they could control the Kwisatz, everything would have turned out worse for humanity. Jessica is the real hero for sabotaging their plans.
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His jihad is about to kill billions of people who don't support him and his religious movement.
He's doing this to save the human race over a many thousands of years timeframe.
He's not supposed to do anything differently -- this is his necessary burden to carry: the Golden Path.
Which he subsequently abandons in Messiah and Leto II later picks back up.
Which leads me back to my original point: Paul is not the Fremen's "next oppressor", despite what Denis implies
I’d say the BG are the real oppressors. What is oppression if not subverting another’s own will?
Yeah, no shite. They are behind putting all this in motion to begin with. Paul is nothing but their breeding plans gone awry. If their plans went as they had hoped and they could control the Kwisatz, everything would have turned out worse for humanity. Jessica is the real hero for sabotaging their plans.
Eh, not really if you read all 8 books. The "real" KW (not Paul; not Leto II) is the one that eventually saves humanity -- that was the BG's goal. Maybe that KW would've come into being sooner if Jessica hadn't gone rogue.
His jihad is about to kill billions of people who don't support him and his religious movement.
He's doing this to save the human race over a many thousands of years timeframe.
He's not supposed to do anything differently -- this is his necessary burden to carry: the Golden Path.
Which he subsequently abandons in Messiah and Leto II later picks back up.
Which leads me back to my original point: Paul is not the Fremen's "next oppressor", despite what Denis implies
I’d say the BG are the real oppressors. What is oppression if not subverting another’s own will?
Yeah, no shite. They are behind putting all this in motion to begin with. Paul is nothing but their breeding plans gone awry. If their plans went as they had hoped and they could control the Kwisatz, everything would have turned out worse for humanity. Jessica is the real hero for sabotaging their plans.
Eh, not really if you read all 8 books. The "real" KW is the one that eventually saves humanity -- that was the BG's goal. Maybe that KW would've come into being sooner if Jessica hadn't gone rogue.
ah yes, you're right... it was always their intention to steer humanity in the best direction
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Post subject: Re: Movie: Dune (2021) (It’s alright; you should bother)
Posted: Sat March 23, 2024 2:55 am
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Just saw it again tonight. So so great. I love when the grenade is breaking through the chopper shield when Chani shoots it.
I’m also really glad they ended the movie on a shot of Chani. I really enjoy her arc in Dune Messiah, and i think ending with that shot showed that Villenueve is already thinking about it
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Post subject: Re: Movie: Dune (2021) (It’s alright; you should bother)
Posted: Mon March 25, 2024 3:38 pm
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Saw this again and loved it even more. Any issues I had with the pacing are no longer the case. What I initially thought was "rushed" is now a "nice brisk pace".
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