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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
PostPosted: Thu June 06, 2019 6:42 pm 
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What I do find instructively problematic about this show (other than the laughably slapstick invocations of Lenin or whatever) is how the creator has to keep getting on Twitter to explain to people that this is not a pro-US/anti-Russia show and that all the denialism of the Soviet bureaucracy is supposed to operate as a mirror for Trump/GOP climate denialism/alternative facts/etc. It's such a well-meaning liberal impulse to think that art can operate as a didactic reflector, but none of the Bi_3s of the world watching this are going to rethink their stance on climate change because of this show.

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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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Mickey wrote:
What I do find instructively problematic about this show (other than the laughably slapstick invocations of Lenin or whatever) is how the creator has to keep getting on Twitter to explain to people that this is not a pro-US/anti-Russia show and that all the denialism of the Soviet bureaucracy is supposed to operate as a mirror for Trump/GOP climate denialism/alternative facts/etc. It's such a well-meaning liberal impulse to think that art can operate as a didactic reflector, but none of the Bi_3s of the world watching this are going to rethink their stance on climate change because of this show.


Don't know for sure, but I feel that it's possible that a lot of it is pushback on people who are viewing/framing the show in this fashion. I've certainly seen people tweeting that have taken that perspective on it.


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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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Mickey wrote:
What I do find instructively problematic about this show (other than the laughably slapstick invocations of Lenin or whatever) is how the creator has to keep getting on Twitter to explain to people that this is not a pro-US/anti-Russia show and that all the denialism of the Soviet bureaucracy is supposed to operate as a mirror for Trump/GOP climate denialism/alternative facts/etc. It's such a well-meaning liberal impulse to think that art can operate as a didactic reflector, but none of the Bi_3s of the world watching this are going to rethink their stance on climate change because of this show.


Don't know for sure, but I feel that it's possible that a lot of it is pushback on people who are viewing/framing the show in this fashion. I've certainly seen people tweeting that have taken that perspective on it.



Now what the fuck does this have to with my view on climate change?

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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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HBO hasn't put the episodes all On Demand but they're running the series next weekend. I'll have to add to my dvr so I can watch them the following week.

They're on HBO go which you can use with your cable credentials.


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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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Started this last night. Wife fell asleep 20 minutes in. I'll check back with you all in two weeks when we finish it.


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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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Mickey wrote:
What I do find instructively problematic about this show (other than the laughably slapstick invocations of Lenin or whatever) is how the creator has to keep getting on Twitter to explain to people that this is not a pro-US/anti-Russia show and that all the denialism of the Soviet bureaucracy is supposed to operate as a mirror for Trump/GOP climate denialism/alternative facts/etc. It's such a well-meaning liberal impulse to think that art can operate as a didactic reflector, but none of the Bi_3s of the world watching this are going to rethink their stance on climate change because of this show.


You could just, I don’t know, not go on Twitter. Can’t speak for everyone but my life is certainly much better since I made that choice.

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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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Twitter fucking sucks.

Chernobyl on the other hand was great. Finally finished it last night.


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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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That he desires to get on Twitter in order to correct the record on the essential political implication of his show means that his show lacks, either in part or in full, the implications he thinks it has. This has nothing to do with Twitter as a medium.

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Seems like Mickey has formed 4 decks worth of archetypes out of RMers, and he’s playing them off of each other as if to divine some sort of overall meaning to this place.


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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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Speaking of twitter and Chernobyl...



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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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“One theory holds that Americans had infiltrated the Chernobyl nuclear power plant and many historians do not deny that, on the day of the explosion, an agent of the enemy’s intelligence services was present at the station,”

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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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Why is he apologizing to communists instead of simply hurling them from helicopters?

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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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My gripes about the lack of human element were entirely addressed in E3 last night. Will probably finish it this weekend.


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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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I dont really care bout this one, and everyone is like fuuuuck dude you havent seen Chernobyl ???? why??

Its getting tiresome.

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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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VinylGuy wrote:
I dont really care bout this one, and everyone is like fuuuuck dude you havent seen Chernobyl ???? why??

Its getting tiresome.

Have you watched it yet? If nothing else, the set designs are some of the best I've ever seen. The scale of what they've brought to the screen is really something else.


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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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Ep 4 is brutal.

We’ve settled into a steady beer-and-chaser routine of Chernobyl/Conan Without Borders.


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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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tragabigzanda wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
I dont really care bout this one, and everyone is like fuuuuck dude you havent seen Chernobyl ???? why??

Its getting tiresome.

Have you watched it yet? If nothing else, the set designs are some of the best I've ever seen. The scale of what they've brought to the screen is really something else.


I havent nor i feel like it.

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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Ep 4 is brutal.

We’ve settled into a steady beer-and-chaser routine of Chernobyl/Conan Without Borders.

But beer is the chaser.


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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Ep 4 is brutal.

We’ve settled into a steady beer-and-chaser routine of Chernobyl/Conan Without Borders.

But beer is the chaser.

Oh yeah


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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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Fantastic ending. Elevated everything that came before. I was on the fence the first couple eps, but really glad I stuck with it.


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 Post subject: Re: It's HBO, Making You Miserable Again: Chernobyl (May 201
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Jesus, ep 3 sure is a real bucket of laughs, huh?

What a fucking bummer.

I can't even imagine...


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