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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 3:56 pm 
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tragabigzanda wrote:
The biggest problem is how totally oblivious Barry seems to be:

1. Doesn’t realize he looks like a monster after screaming at his gf on set
2. Doesn’t realize his whole plan with Gene is bound to fail
3. Doesn’t see the irony in the line reading with Gene, nor sense Gene’s discomfort
4. Doesn’t seem to think Fuches is a problem anymore

It’s like he became a moron during Covid. It just doesn’t track.


the extent of barry’s denial has gotten much worse. his behavior i think is a continuation of what we’ve seen in previous seasons. the difference between this season and earlier ones is comedy. this isn’t funny, this is an endless fucking bummer

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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 4:21 pm 
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Malloy wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
The biggest problem is how totally oblivious Barry seems to be:

1. Doesn’t realize he looks like a monster after screaming at his gf on set
2. Doesn’t realize his whole plan with Gene is bound to fail
3. Doesn’t see the irony in the line reading with Gene, nor sense Gene’s discomfort
4. Doesn’t seem to think Fuches is a problem anymore

It’s like he became a moron during Covid. It just doesn’t track.


the extent of barry’s denial has gotten much worse. his behavior i think is a continuation of what we’ve seen in previous seasons. the difference between this season and earlier ones is comedy. this isn’t funny, this is an endless fucking bummer

There's a BTS thing on HBO (or maybe it was a recent podcast appearance?) where Hader talks about how Barry has been living with the guilt of killing everyone in the monastery, and how that's had a bad psychological effect on him. Which I get, narratively speaking. But the execution of this has been lacking.


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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 6:22 pm 
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There are definitely things you’re asked to just go with, such as the Chechens okay with hiring Barry.


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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 7:02 pm 
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Biff Pocoroba wrote:
There are definitely things you’re asked to just go with, such as the Chechens okay with hiring Barry.

:thumbsup: There's always been a need to suspend some disbelief with this show, but it does feel like a new level.


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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 7:07 pm 
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tragabigzanda wrote:
The biggest problem is how totally oblivious Barry seems to be:

1. Doesn’t realize he looks like a monster after screaming at his gf on set
2. Doesn’t realize his whole plan with Gene is bound to fail
3. Doesn’t see the irony in the line reading with Gene, nor sense Gene’s discomfort
4. Doesn’t seem to think Fuches is a problem anymore

It’s like he became a moron during Covid. It just doesn’t track.


Worth noting--again, just rewatched the entire show--that Barry has *always* been a bit of a moron about everything other than killing. Pretty consistent throughout the show. Remember him excitedly going to Fuches' hotel room to be like "I can be a new man! It doesn't matter that I murdered Moss?" Even if he hadn't been caught on the wire, his understanding of himself and his life is relatively naive and superficial.

I'm fine with the show not being as funny anymore, feels like a necessary shift. I do think there's some narrative inconsistency here though. Kidnapping Gene feels particularly stupid, and why is Barry still alive in LA but Fuches is in Chechnya as a stooge?

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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
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Mickey wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
The biggest problem is how totally oblivious Barry seems to be:

1. Doesn’t realize he looks like a monster after screaming at his gf on set
2. Doesn’t realize his whole plan with Gene is bound to fail
3. Doesn’t see the irony in the line reading with Gene, nor sense Gene’s discomfort
4. Doesn’t seem to think Fuches is a problem anymore

It’s like he became a moron during Covid. It just doesn’t track.


Worth noting--again, just rewatched the entire show--that Barry has *always* been a bit of a moron about everything other than killing. Pretty consistent throughout the show. Remember him excitedly going to Fuches' hotel room to be like "I can be a new man! It doesn't matter that I murdered Moss?" Even if he hadn't been caught on the wire, his understanding of himself and his life is relatively naive and superficial.

I shall reflect on this.


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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
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Mickey wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
The biggest problem is how totally oblivious Barry seems to be:

1. Doesn’t realize he looks like a monster after screaming at his gf on set
2. Doesn’t realize his whole plan with Gene is bound to fail
3. Doesn’t see the irony in the line reading with Gene, nor sense Gene’s discomfort
4. Doesn’t seem to think Fuches is a problem anymore

It’s like he became a moron during Covid. It just doesn’t track.


Worth noting--again, just rewatched the entire show--that Barry has *always* been a bit of a moron about everything other than killing. Pretty consistent throughout the show. Remember him excitedly going to Fuches' hotel room to be like "I can be a new man! It doesn't matter that I murdered Moss?" Even if he hadn't been caught on the wire, his understanding of himself and his life is relatively naive and superficial.

I'm fine with the show not being as funny anymore, feels like a necessary shift. I do think there's some narrative inconsistency here though. Kidnapping Gene feels particularly stupid, and why is Barry still alive in LA but Fuches is in Chechnya as a stooge?


agree 100 percent on your first graph.

re: lack of comedy — i didn’t mean it as a criticism, per se.

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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
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that “starting now!” moment at the end of series 1 or 2 is one of my favorite moments in the series and is emblematic of barry’s deal

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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Mickey wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
The biggest problem is how totally oblivious Barry seems to be:

1. Doesn’t realize he looks like a monster after screaming at his gf on set
2. Doesn’t realize his whole plan with Gene is bound to fail
3. Doesn’t see the irony in the line reading with Gene, nor sense Gene’s discomfort
4. Doesn’t seem to think Fuches is a problem anymore

It’s like he became a moron during Covid. It just doesn’t track.


Worth noting--again, just rewatched the entire show--that Barry has *always* been a bit of a moron about everything other than killing. Pretty consistent throughout the show. Remember him excitedly going to Fuches' hotel room to be like "I can be a new man! It doesn't matter that I murdered Moss?" Even if he hadn't been caught on the wire, his understanding of himself and his life is relatively naive and superficial.

I shall reflect on this.


I'd honestly kinda forgotten about it, but another example is when he gets that audition in S2 and he's running lines with Sally, and all of a sudden she breaks into this unhinged monologue--about how everything is coming easy for him and she had to work so hard and it's not fair but she loves him so she wants him to be happy, etc. She finishes, the camera goes right back to Barry, he takes a beat, and then he just does his little line again. In my brain it was like "Sally is a narcissist" and she is! But rewatching it underscored that Barry is a pretty huge narcissist too.

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its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.


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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
PostPosted: Mon May 09, 2022 8:17 pm 
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Malloy wrote:
re: lack of comedy — i didn’t mean it as a criticism, per se.


On a plot level I don't think it's really possible for the show to be funny, exactly. You get great lines like "I have no buddies" and tons of formal gags like Gene's gun falling apart, but a fuckton of people are dead. But the show has had this tension for a long time--"ronny/lily" is an extremely dark episode of tv--and I think ultimately this is part of its power/appeal in a way that is unique. It's not the same tension of broad comedy and pathos that you get on something like Dexter.

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its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.


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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
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Barry is a man ready to explode. Loved the phone call he had with Fuches.


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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
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Just started this. Solid first episode.


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Mickey wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Mickey wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
The biggest problem is how totally oblivious Barry seems to be:

1. Doesn’t realize he looks like a monster after screaming at his gf on set
2. Doesn’t realize his whole plan with Gene is bound to fail
3. Doesn’t see the irony in the line reading with Gene, nor sense Gene’s discomfort
4. Doesn’t seem to think Fuches is a problem anymore

It’s like he became a moron during Covid. It just doesn’t track.


Worth noting--again, just rewatched the entire show--that Barry has *always* been a bit of a moron about everything other than killing. Pretty consistent throughout the show. Remember him excitedly going to Fuches' hotel room to be like "I can be a new man! It doesn't matter that I murdered Moss?" Even if he hadn't been caught on the wire, his understanding of himself and his life is relatively naive and superficial.

I shall reflect on this.


I'd honestly kinda forgotten about it, but another example is when he gets that audition in S2 and he's running lines with Sally, and all of a sudden she breaks into this unhinged monologue--about how everything is coming easy for him and she had to work so hard and it's not fair but she loves him so she wants him to be happy, etc. She finishes, the camera goes right back to Barry, he takes a beat, and then he just does his little line again. In my brain it was like "Sally is a narcissist" and she is! But rewatching it underscored that Barry is a pretty huge narcissist too.

I wouldn’t assign narcissism to what is clearly a lack of empathy.


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its really tiresome to see these ¨good guys¨ talking about any political stuff in tv while also being kinda funny and hip and cool....its just...please enough of this shit.


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yeah, im not feeling this season at all.

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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
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"King of Suck Balls Mountain" :lol: :lol: :lol:


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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
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Finally a good episode...that felt more closer to season two at least.

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VinylGuy wrote:
Finally a good episode...that felt more closer to season two at least.

Agreed!


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I liked how they tied it into the very first shot of the series


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 Post subject: Re: TV: HBO: Barry
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Everything with the bomb detonator was pure gold.

Also, i loved the Joplin premiere. Sally is just an awful human being.

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