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 Post subject: Re: Movie: Sicario : Soldado (6-29-18)
PostPosted: Wed July 11, 2018 6:07 pm 
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Mecca wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
how so?

I felt like I’ve seen this movie before i.e. Logan, Man on Fire. It’s a joy to watch BdT and Brolin be these characters, but it seemed to lack the tension and intriguing action of the first film

I haven't seen either of those, so I can't compare. I agree it lacked some of the tension of the first one, and yeah, the action in the original was definitely "intriguing" in the way the plot sort of snaked its way around. But I appreciated that this one was more blunt and brutal with its action, even if much of the intrigue was lost. Like you said, watching BdT and Brolin together is awesome, and I dug how cold everything was.


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 Post subject: Re: Movie: Sicario : Soldado (6-29-18)
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So this was better than I had thought it would be, and I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who really enjoyed the first one.

I believe Burt said he liked it better than the original? I can't say I agree, but I can understand why one might. Basically Sicario : Sicario 2 :: Young Guns 1 : Young Guns 2. Where the first one was more languid with its pacing, creating some great moments of tension, and had more of an artful aesthetic, this one is more straightforward with its story, and has some elements that felt contrived and telegraphed. But it's every bit as dark and brutal as the first one, and it still doesn't spoon feed the viewer everything, even if a couple elements were telegraphed in pretty early on.

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1. I struggled to latch on to the relationship between Benicio and Isabella. I get that he's still in mourning for his daughter, and can see why she might somehow remind him of her, but his desire to protect her seemed to come out of nowhere; as did his plan to get her north to her mother (was this even true, or was it just something he said once he had a gun to his head?)

2. The final scene with Benicio and the young gangster felt forced. You want to hire a hitman? How about you call any of the guys you've been hanging out with for the last few years instead of tracking down the kid who tried to kill you.

3. I got up to pee right after Benicio rescues/kidnaps Isabella from the guy who was trying to force her into his truck. Benicio shoots the guy, convinces the girl he means her no harm, they get in the truck...And then when I came back from the bathroom, they were trekking across the dessert and come upon the deaf farmer. What did I miss?

4. I loved where the relationship between Brolin and Benicio wound up. You can tell that something broke in Brolin when he had to leave his friend in the hands of his killers, and his buddy's comment of "glad it didn't have to be us" seemed to make him even more angry; meanwhile Benicio has a hole in his head and no more allies. It's a great setup for a third one, assuming the plot tackles this new divide between them.


:thumbsup: Third one should be awesome.

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1. I don't think there was really a mother. I think that was just a story.
2. A bit. I think he just wanted to do something with this kid specifically. I dont think he really needs a hitman. He just feels a connection to this kid I guess.
3. I can't remember? It wasn't anything interesting. Maybe the truck broke down or something.
4. This was Brolin's movie. He was great. I thought it was setting up to be Brolin vs Toro by the end, but I guess not? I also like Brolin's borderline psychopathic underling (the guy from Burn Notice). Seems like that guy doesn't care about anything or anyone.


-My only criticism with the first was I felt Emily Blunt's character was a bit of a wet blanket and she mostly just got in the way. She moped around a lot. I get why she was there, but feel like they could have done a better job with her. That type of character wasn't needed in a sequel, so I'm glad they avoided it.

-I agree about the bluntness and brutality of the action. It was refreshing to see.

-I get the Logan comparison, and Logan probably did the relationship stuff a lot better, but I was more interested in Brolin's side of the story anyway.

-It's hard to ignore the politics surrounding these movies, but it was never preachy, and everything served the story they were telling. What a lost art. The movie is pretty cynical all around anyway, which suits me lol.

-My big complaint with the second is that there were a couple of insane coincidences that were required to move the plot along, but I already bought in by the time they happen, so I forgive them. The plot kinda runs out of steam by the end and the pacing is a bit weird, but I still enjoyed the ride. The world they created was interesting on its own.

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 Post subject: Re: Movie: Sicario : Soldado (6-29-18)
PostPosted: Wed July 11, 2018 7:15 pm 
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BurtReynolds wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
So this was better than I had thought it would be, and I'd definitely recommend it to anyone who really enjoyed the first one.

I believe Burt said he liked it better than the original? I can't say I agree, but I can understand why one might. Basically Sicario : Sicario 2 :: Young Guns 1 : Young Guns 2. Where the first one was more languid with its pacing, creating some great moments of tension, and had more of an artful aesthetic, this one is more straightforward with its story, and has some elements that felt contrived and telegraphed. But it's every bit as dark and brutal as the first one, and it still doesn't spoon feed the viewer everything, even if a couple elements were telegraphed in pretty early on.

Some more spoilery thoughts/questions:

Spoiler: show
1. I struggled to latch on to the relationship between Benicio and Isabella. I get that he's still in mourning for his daughter, and can see why she might somehow remind him of her, but his desire to protect her seemed to come out of nowhere; as did his plan to get her north to her mother (was this even true, or was it just something he said once he had a gun to his head?)

2. The final scene with Benicio and the young gangster felt forced. You want to hire a hitman? How about you call any of the guys you've been hanging out with for the last few years instead of tracking down the kid who tried to kill you.

3. I got up to pee right after Benicio rescues/kidnaps Isabella from the guy who was trying to force her into his truck. Benicio shoots the guy, convinces the girl he means her no harm, they get in the truck...And then when I came back from the bathroom, they were trekking across the dessert and come upon the deaf farmer. What did I miss?

4. I loved where the relationship between Brolin and Benicio wound up. You can tell that something broke in Brolin when he had to leave his friend in the hands of his killers, and his buddy's comment of "glad it didn't have to be us" seemed to make him even more angry; meanwhile Benicio has a hole in his head and no more allies. It's a great setup for a third one, assuming the plot tackles this new divide between them.


:thumbsup: Third one should be awesome.

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1. I don't think there was really a mother. I think that was just a story.
2. A bit. I think he just wanted to do something with this kid specifically. I dont think he really needs a hitman. He just feels a connection to this kid I guess.
3. I can't remember? It wasn't anything interesting. Maybe the truck broke down or something.
4. This was Brolin's movie. He was great. I thought it was setting up to be Brolin vs Toro by the end, but I guess not? I also like Brolin's borderline psychopathic underling (the guy from Burn Notice). Seems like that guy doesn't care about anything or anyone.


-My only criticism with the first was I felt Emily Blunt's character was a bit of a wet blanket and she mostly just got in the way. She moped around a lot. I get why she was there, but feel like they could have done a better job with her. That type of character wasn't needed in a sequel, so I'm glad they avoided it.

-I agree about the bluntness and brutality of the action. It was refreshing to see.

-I get the Logan comparison, and Logan probably did the relationship stuff a lot better, but I was more interested in Brolin's side of the story anyway.

-It's hard to ignore the politics surrounding these movies, but it was never preachy, and everything served the story they were telling. What a lost art. The movie is pretty cynical all around anyway, which suits me lol.

-My big complaint with the second is that there were a couple of insane coincidences that were required to move the plot along, but I already bought in by the time they happen, so I forgive them. The plot kinda runs out of steam by the end and the pacing is a bit weird, but I still enjoyed the ride. The world they created was interesting on its own.


Burt, re: a couple of my Q's and your A's:

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2. I can't remember if BdT's character also had a son they mentioned in the first one? But sure, that makes sense that he would feel a kinship with the kid. I think one problem these movies have created for themselves is trying to conveying an emotional reaction from characters who are largely very stoic.

4. I think the "BdT vs Brolin" story is forthcoming in part 3. I don't think they'll have a showdown or anything like that; more just that they'll be fighting the same battles but now from opposite sides of the law. My takeaway from the ending was basically that Brolin's character was disgusted with the false premise of things ever changing, and he felt awful about abandoning his friend (his "Burn the whole thing down" comment was pretty clear on that point); and BdT seems understandably pissed for being hung out to dry.


I agree that the dude from Burn Notice is awesome in this, would love to see him get a slightly expanded role in the next one. I also didn't find our current political climate to weigh things down at all, they sort just added an extra layer of meaning to things that served the story on their own.


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