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 Post subject: Re: hip hop
PostPosted: Sat June 20, 2020 4:09 am 
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I was never a huge fan of his early Def Jux stuff. El P, Cannibal Ox, found it all pretty half-baked. He’s come a long way since then though.

Didn't expect to hear that from you. I was listening to a bit of Fantastic Damage last night and the production was flooring me. Had me wanting more.

I am interested in whatever he's done in the last decade, though. Based on reviews, it does feel a bit like the Def Jux stuff leans a little too conceptual for what I'm looking for, which sort of feels like a product of it's time. Wasn't this around the same time Avalanches, Deltron 3030, etc came out?


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 Post subject: Re: hip hop
PostPosted: Sun June 21, 2020 1:54 am 
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Hey Trag, I listened to The Cold Vein last night. 3am, empty city streets, those bare beats blaring with samples swelling all over my speakers. I liked it.


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washing machine wrote:
Hey Trag, I listened to The Cold Vein last night. 3am, empty city streets, those bare beats blaring with samples swelling all over my speakers. I liked it.

Yeah, the Cold Vein and Fantastic Damage were the two I was familiar with. I saw Cannibal Ox in Seattle around 2001-2002, and tried to get into those albums afterwards, but it never clicked. Hadn't heard anything since then, until RTJ dropped.

The Cold Vein especially had pretty rough production, felt like just a step above a demo. Some really cool ideas -- they weren't just aping Wu-Tang or HiTek or whatever -- but it sounded pretty shitty to me at the time.

Maybe it's aged betteR?


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 Post subject: Re: hip hop
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You have a much better ear for that sort of thing than I do, but whatever is going on with El-P's production on there works for me. As far as hip hop experience goes, grew up on DJ Screw and No Limit stuff mostly, so that homemade sound feels right. The verses on this album are something else.


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washing machine wrote:
Someone talk to me about non-RTJ El-P projects. Orph? Anyone?


Cancer 4 Cure has some amazing tracks -- "The Full Retard" and "Drones Over Bklyn" especially. That was the album that introduced me to El-P, on Orpheus's recommendation probably. I find he gets a little exhausting over long periods (just because the production and delivery are so pummeling), but generally speaking I really love his stuff.


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Kevin Davis wrote:
washing machine wrote:
Someone talk to me about non-RTJ El-P projects. Orph? Anyone?


Cancer 4 Cure has some amazing tracks -- "The Full Retard" and "Drones Over Bklyn" especially. That was the album that introduced me to El-P, on Orpheus's recommendation probably. I find he gets a little exhausting over long periods (just because the production and delivery are so pummeling), but generally speaking I really love his stuff.

I'll check it out.


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 Post subject: Re: hip hop
PostPosted: Thu June 25, 2020 5:25 pm 
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I keep coming back to this Cannibal Ox album. Cold Vein. Vast Aire is hidden gem.

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The galaxy's the body sun is the heart and the black hole's the brain


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