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Scorsese to release Dylan film about the '75 tour:

https://variety.com/2019/music/news/bob-dylan-martin-scorsese-rolling-thunder-film-netflix-1203104499/


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Can't someone else do it?


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KD, do you know why Tomorrow is a Long Time from the New Morning sessions was left off of Another Self Portrait?


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KD, do you know why Tomorrow is a Long Time from the New Morning sessions was left off of Another Self Portrait?


I sure don't -- as one of the most widely circulating outtakes from that session, it seems like it would have made a ton of sense to include. There were a few tracks like that on the "Trouble No More" set as well.


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KD, do you know why Tomorrow is a Long Time from the New Morning sessions was left off of Another Self Portrait?


I sure don't -- as one of the most widely circulating outtakes from that session, it seems like it would have made a ton of sense to include. There were a few tracks like that on the "Trouble No More" set as well.

Are there any other obvious misses from Another Self Portrait? I just listened to that and Self Portrait for the first time recently, so this stuff is new to me. I love the SP/ASP songs and that period. (Haven't got to the Trouble No More set or those studio albums.)

Does it seem a little odd to you that 1969 was included in the set? I know that Isle of Wight is from 1969 and some of its songs ended up on Self Portrait, but only 2 outtakes from Nashville Skyline are on Another Self Portrait. Are there more outtakes from Nashville Skyline that could've gone on a different Bootleg Series set along with Johnny Cash outtakes and performances from his show?


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Are there any other obvious misses from Another Self Portrait? I just listened to that and Self Portrait for the first time recently, so this stuff is new to me. I love the SP/ASP songs and that period. (Haven't got to the Trouble No More set or those studio albums.)

Does it seem a little odd to you that 1969 was included in the set? I know that Isle of Wight is from 1969 and some of its songs ended up on Self Portrait, but only 2 outtakes from Nashville Skyline are on Another Self Portrait. Are there more outtakes from Nashville Skyline that could've gone on a different Bootleg Series set along with Johnny Cash outtakes and performances from his show?


I love this period too. I've plugged this blog quite a few times in this thread, but if you like this era, this compilation does a really nice job of rounding up the best of the circulating bootleg material that didn't make "Another Self Portrait":
http://thousandhighways.blogspot.com/20 ... eased.html

The outtake sessions from this era were pretty off-the-cuff and informal, like the 1969 Cash session and the 1970 George Harrison session ("Working on a Guru" is from this date) -- in my opinion they're fun to hear on bootlegs but aren't really "official release" material, apart from a few odd tracks here and there that would have been okay to include but probably wouldn't have been highlights. I don't think the 1969 stuff feels unnatural to include (it's all part of that domestic, Woodstock, family man period that fits so nicely together), but I don't think the two outtakes present are anything special, and I like the Isle of Wight tracks better in the context of the full show (including them as individual tracks was probably intended as a throwback to the one-offs that appeared on the original "Self Portrait" album, but I'm not sure they functionally achieve the same effect). Based on what we have from the set and what we have in bootleg form, my version of "ASP" probably would look a little bit different than the existing album, but not much -- in general I think the material that Sony unearthed for "ASP" is way stronger than the commonly circulated bootleg material, though there are a few tracks (the piano version of "Went to See the Gypsy," for instance, one of my all-time favorite Dylan recordings) that I'm very happy got canonized.


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That makes sense. Thanks for the link to that blog. I've dug around there but haven't listened to much of it yet.

I like Self Portrait as it is, but the live songs feel out of place to me and take me away from the vibe of the rest of the album. After getting more acquainted with Another Self Portrait, it will be tempting to create single and double albums with the outtakes and wonder what could have been. I bet a 45 minute record that drops the live songs, The Boxer, and a few others and includes Pretty Saro and Spanish is the Loving Tongue would've compared much more favorably to the other albums of that period, but I understand that's not really what he was trying to do.


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I like Dylan's voice in the Self Portrait/New Morning era. Here is a Dylan quote giving some insight to what he may have been thinking in releasing Self Portrait:

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But I was being bootlegged at the time and a lot of stuff that was worse was appearing on bootleg records. So I just figured I'd put all this stuff together and put it out, my own bootleg record, so to speak. You know, if it actually had been a bootleg record, people probably would have sneaked around to buy it and played it for each other secretly.


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I really like Self Portrait too. Whatever Dylan's intentions were in making it (and I think it's tough to say -- he's definitely contradicted himself on that over the years), I think there are several fantastic performances on it, and his voice in that period is just exquisite.

That said, I don't think it's perfect. It's definitely unwieldy -- not every track is a homerun, and I agree with Meddle that the live songs feel out of place. There was probably potential there to make a stronger single disc record, or even a more focused double. But all in all, I like what we got, and for me part of the charm of the album has actually been just how strange and all over the place it is. There's a curiosity to it that I think makes me reach for it even more than some of the classics (especially these days, when I've basically burnt out on most of them).


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The full, remastered Isle of Wight concert that came out with the deluxe edition of "Another Self Portrait" was a revelation, IMO. The way the individual tracks are presented on the album and the compilation doesn't do them justice.

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I bet a 45 minute record that drops the live songs, The Boxer, and a few others and includes Pretty Saro and Spanish is the Loving Tongue would've compared much more favorably to the other albums of that period, but I understand that's not really what he was trying to do.


"Pretty Saro" is stunning, arguably the single best track from those sessions. I love "Spanish is the Loving Tongue" too, but am partial to version that came out as the B-side to "Watching the River Flow" (available on the import compilations "Masterpieces" and "Pure Dylan," maybe on Spotify, but I can't find it on YouTube). He recorded this song quite a lot during this period -- we have the Basement Tapes version, the B-side version, the "ASP" version, and the heavily orchestrated version that ended up on the 1973 album simply titled "Dylan," plus at least one really nice version from the Rolling Thunder tours.

That album "Dylan" contains more music from this period as well, including some takes on some very well-known songs like "Big Yellow Taxi" and "Can't Help Falling in Love." It has a reputation for being his worst and most hated album, but I've never understood why someone who likes the music from this period wouldn't like at least some of it. If you're a fan of the "Self Portrait" stuff you should definitely check it out, though it's only been released on CD as part of a "Complete Albums" box set and therefore I'm not sure how and if it's made its way to streaming platforms, iTunes, etc.


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Loads to look forward to in June for Dylan fans!

Rolling Thunder Revue doc hits Netflix on June 12th.

1975 live recordings has finally been officially announced for June 7th.

Bootleg Series Volume 5 also getting reissued finally on June 7th! 3 vinyl, comes with a shiny new booklet too!

I saw him twice in Paris earlier in April and he was phenomenal. Looking forward to seeing him again in Hamburg with my lady and then Hyde Park with Uncle Nel :hooray: :hooray: :hooray: :hooray:


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BootsToAsses wrote:
Loads to look forward to in June for Dylan fans!

Rolling Thunder Revue doc hits Netflix on June 12th.

1975 live recordings has finally been officially announced for June 7th.

Bootleg Series Volume 5 also getting reissued finally on June 7th! 3 vinyl, comes with a shiny new booklet too!

I saw him twice in Paris earlier in April and he was phenomenal. Looking forward to seeing him again in Hamburg with my lady and then Hyde Park with Uncle Nel :hooray: :hooray: :hooray: :hooray:


The two Vienna shows I saw were also excellent, nice tour he's playing! I'm pretty excited for the 1975 recordings, I guess they will be better soundqualitywise than the 1966 ones...


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The 1975 live boxset is a gift from the Gods. I'm not even halfway through it and my mind is blown.

Netflix doc in two day! :luv: :hooray: :hooray:


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What are some highlights of the boxed set??

I just dled, but 14 discs worth of stuff is kinda overwhelming


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What are some highlights of the boxed set??

I just dled, but 14 discs worth of stuff is kinda overwhelming

Check out the rehearsals on disc 3 and the Montreal show.


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BootsToAsses wrote:
Loads to look forward to in June for Dylan fans!

Rolling Thunder Revue doc hits Netflix on June 12th.

1975 live recordings has finally been officially announced for June 7th.

Bootleg Series Volume 5 also getting reissued finally on June 7th! 3 vinyl, comes with a shiny new booklet too!

I saw him twice in Paris earlier in April and he was phenomenal. Looking forward to seeing him again in Hamburg with my lady and then Hyde Park with Uncle Nel :hooray: :hooray: :hooray: :hooray:


The two Vienna shows I saw were also excellent, nice tour he's playing! I'm pretty excited for the 1975 recordings, I guess they will be better soundqualitywise than the 1966 ones...


I don't have a lot of Mr. Zimmerman but I have the '75 and '66 bootleg series albums and really enjoy both. The sound of his band in '75 was really good.


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I watched the documentary film last night and was underwhelmed. It wasn't cohesive, lacked a consistent feel and it felt about 45 minutes too long. The concert footage was amazing though and I'd love to just get a straight look at that. The choice to fake some of the information was an odd choice. Again you see Dylan's writing being far superior to any of his other artistic choices.


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Yeah, that concert footage was something else.

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I recently listened to Modern Times, Together Through Life and Tempest and made this briefer listen. I still feel it's too long and may cut #1 and #12. What struck me was the way his band have become wallflowers more and more with each of these releases. MT still has a bit of lightning flashing through but Tempest is really just flat wallpaper behind him. It really could do with a few flashes of personality from the backing musicians.

01. Duquesne Whistle
02. Beyond Here Lies Nothin'
03. Someday Baby
04. Soon After Midnight
05. Workingman's Blues #2
06. Forgetful Heart
07. Thunder On The Mountain
08. Long and Wasted Years
09. Nettie Moore
10. Pay In Blood
11. I Feel A Change Comin' On
12. Ain't Talkin'


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