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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Springsteen
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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Springsteen
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bruce is tomorrow's guest on Marc Maron's podcast, if anyone cares (I do not care).

Oh shit, this is a big one

I'm curious. He's a magnificently crafty bullshitter regarding his own history though, and one thing Maron is not is a determined digger. So many moments in the 'Bruce' bio have multiple people relating a story that doesn't fit his narrative, and then a great "gee shucks I dunno maybe but we were a band" Bruce interview that paves it all over. It's a big part of why I'm hesitant to read the auto.

Yea, my impression of him is that of a guy who has no problem inflating his own narrative.


He's a storyteller, so that's should be expected. I'm about to start his book, can't wait.

I don't follow your logic. Because he writes songs about fictitious characters, he should be able to spin a false narrative about himself? That would be sort of like if the singer of some other popular rock band decided to deny the existence of his former drummers. :mrgreen:


More so that he would twist and exaggerate facts to make a better story. I don't think you get to his position as an American/Rock and Roll icon without a certain degree of ego and/or hubris.

Ugh. I hate rock stars.


Bruce sounds a lot like this guy:

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But he's actually honest about it.

This was my thing. These are my songs. I started this.

Well, at least he's willing to take the blame.


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But he's actually honest about it.

This was my thing. These are my songs. I started this.

Well, at least he's willing to take the blame.



At least he's not taking credit where he doesn't deserve any (hi dave a )

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yep. when I think of Pearl Jam and "Fame" I definitely think only of Dave Krusen & Matt Cameron





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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Springsteen
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tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bruce is tomorrow's guest on Marc Maron's podcast, if anyone cares (I do not care).

Oh shit, this is a big one

I'm curious. He's a magnificently crafty bullshitter regarding his own history though, and one thing Maron is not is a determined digger. So many moments in the 'Bruce' bio have multiple people relating a story that doesn't fit his narrative, and then a great "gee shucks I dunno maybe but we were a band" Bruce interview that paves it all over. It's a big part of why I'm hesitant to read the auto.

Yea, my impression of him is that of a guy who has no problem inflating his own narrative.


He's a storyteller, so that's should be expected. I'm about to start his book, can't wait.

I don't follow your logic. Because he writes songs about fictitious characters, he should be able to spin a false narrative about himself? That would be sort of like if the singer of some other popular rock band decided to deny the existence of his former drummers. :mrgreen:


More so that he would twist and exaggerate facts to make a better story. I don't think you get to his position as an American/Rock and Roll icon without a certain degree of ego and/or hubris.

Ugh. I hate rock stars.




Hang on. You guys are complaining about Bruce.


Have any of you read anything about Neil Young and just how many people he's fucked over down the years?

Secondly have you read his meandering, totally bonkers and deluded autobiography?

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Springsteen
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dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bruce is tomorrow's guest on Marc Maron's podcast, if anyone cares (I do not care).

Oh shit, this is a big one

I'm curious. He's a magnificently crafty bullshitter regarding his own history though, and one thing Maron is not is a determined digger. So many moments in the 'Bruce' bio have multiple people relating a story that doesn't fit his narrative, and then a great "gee shucks I dunno maybe but we were a band" Bruce interview that paves it all over. It's a big part of why I'm hesitant to read the auto.

Yea, my impression of him is that of a guy who has no problem inflating his own narrative.


He's a storyteller, so that's should be expected. I'm about to start his book, can't wait.

I don't follow your logic. Because he writes songs about fictitious characters, he should be able to spin a false narrative about himself? That would be sort of like if the singer of some other popular rock band decided to deny the existence of his former drummers. :mrgreen:


More so that he would twist and exaggerate facts to make a better story. I don't think you get to his position as an American/Rock and Roll icon without a certain degree of ego and/or hubris.

Ugh. I hate rock stars.




Hang on. You guys are complaining about Bruce.


Have any of you read anything about Neil Young and just how many people he's fucked over down the years?

Secondly have you read his meandering, totally bonkers and deluded autobiography?

I read Shaky, which was awesome, but I did not read the autobiography. Yea, Neil has been a dickhead many, many times. But I don't get the sense it's because he's enamored with himself (like I do with Bruce or Eddie or Axl or Sir Paul or Bono or...). Shaky makes it clear that his mother was a cantankerous, stubborn woman who did what she wanted, and it seems like Neil would probably be that way whether he was a rock star or a plumber.


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tragabigzanda wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bruce is tomorrow's guest on Marc Maron's podcast, if anyone cares (I do not care).

Oh shit, this is a big one

I'm curious. He's a magnificently crafty bullshitter regarding his own history though, and one thing Maron is not is a determined digger. So many moments in the 'Bruce' bio have multiple people relating a story that doesn't fit his narrative, and then a great "gee shucks I dunno maybe but we were a band" Bruce interview that paves it all over. It's a big part of why I'm hesitant to read the auto.

Yea, my impression of him is that of a guy who has no problem inflating his own narrative.


He's a storyteller, so that's should be expected. I'm about to start his book, can't wait.

I don't follow your logic. Because he writes songs about fictitious characters, he should be able to spin a false narrative about himself? That would be sort of like if the singer of some other popular rock band decided to deny the existence of his former drummers. :mrgreen:


More so that he would twist and exaggerate facts to make a better story. I don't think you get to his position as an American/Rock and Roll icon without a certain degree of ego and/or hubris.

Ugh. I hate rock stars.




Hang on. You guys are complaining about Bruce.


Have any of you read anything about Neil Young and just how many people he's fucked over down the years?

Secondly have you read his meandering, totally bonkers and deluded autobiography?

I read Shaky, which was awesome, but I did not read the autobiography. Yea, Neil has been a dickhead many, many times. But I don't get the sense it's because he's enamored with himself (like I do with Bruce or Eddie or Axl or Sir Paul or Bono or...). Shaky makes it clear that his mother was a cantankerous, stubborn woman who did what she wanted, and it seems like Neil would probably be that way whether he was a rock star or a plumber.


Besides his poor attitude, how do you think he'd do as a plumber?


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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Springsteen
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MissYouAllDay wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bruce is tomorrow's guest on Marc Maron's podcast, if anyone cares (I do not care).

Oh shit, this is a big one

I'm curious. He's a magnificently crafty bullshitter regarding his own history though, and one thing Maron is not is a determined digger. So many moments in the 'Bruce' bio have multiple people relating a story that doesn't fit his narrative, and then a great "gee shucks I dunno maybe but we were a band" Bruce interview that paves it all over. It's a big part of why I'm hesitant to read the auto.

Yea, my impression of him is that of a guy who has no problem inflating his own narrative.


He's a storyteller, so that's should be expected. I'm about to start his book, can't wait.

I don't follow your logic. Because he writes songs about fictitious characters, he should be able to spin a false narrative about himself? That would be sort of like if the singer of some other popular rock band decided to deny the existence of his former drummers. :mrgreen:


More so that he would twist and exaggerate facts to make a better story. I don't think you get to his position as an American/Rock and Roll icon without a certain degree of ego and/or hubris.

Ugh. I hate rock stars.




Hang on. You guys are complaining about Bruce.


Have any of you read anything about Neil Young and just how many people he's fucked over down the years?

Secondly have you read his meandering, totally bonkers and deluded autobiography?

I read Shaky, which was awesome, but I did not read the autobiography. Yea, Neil has been a dickhead many, many times. But I don't get the sense it's because he's enamored with himself (like I do with Bruce or Eddie or Axl or Sir Paul or Bono or...). Shaky makes it clear that his mother was a cantankerous, stubborn woman who did what she wanted, and it seems like Neil would probably be that way whether he was a rock star or a plumber.


Besides his poor attitude, how do you think he'd do as a plumber?


He'd be a shitty laborer, but probably a successful owner/operator.


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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Springsteen
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tragabigzanda wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bruce is tomorrow's guest on Marc Maron's podcast, if anyone cares (I do not care).

Oh shit, this is a big one

I'm curious. He's a magnificently crafty bullshitter regarding his own history though, and one thing Maron is not is a determined digger. So many moments in the 'Bruce' bio have multiple people relating a story that doesn't fit his narrative, and then a great "gee shucks I dunno maybe but we were a band" Bruce interview that paves it all over. It's a big part of why I'm hesitant to read the auto.

Yea, my impression of him is that of a guy who has no problem inflating his own narrative.


He's a storyteller, so that's should be expected. I'm about to start his book, can't wait.

I don't follow your logic. Because he writes songs about fictitious characters, he should be able to spin a false narrative about himself? That would be sort of like if the singer of some other popular rock band decided to deny the existence of his former drummers. :mrgreen:


More so that he would twist and exaggerate facts to make a better story. I don't think you get to his position as an American/Rock and Roll icon without a certain degree of ego and/or hubris.

Ugh. I hate rock stars.




Hang on. You guys are complaining about Bruce.


Have any of you read anything about Neil Young and just how many people he's fucked over down the years?

Secondly have you read his meandering, totally bonkers and deluded autobiography?

I read Shaky, which was awesome, but I did not read the autobiography. Yea, Neil has been a dickhead many, many times. But I don't get the sense it's because he's enamored with himself (like I do with Bruce or Eddie or Axl or Sir Paul or Bono or...). Shaky makes it clear that his mother was a cantankerous, stubborn woman who did what she wanted, and it seems like Neil would probably be that way whether he was a rock star or a plumber.




Bruce's book is mostly about his father torturing him and his family for years with his paranoid schizophrenia. I've read both. Bruce had a harder time. And fucked nobody over. But suffers crippling depressions all his life.


Neil's a consistently selfish cunt throughout his entire life. And doesn't seem to care.

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dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bruce is tomorrow's guest on Marc Maron's podcast, if anyone cares (I do not care).

Oh shit, this is a big one

I'm curious. He's a magnificently crafty bullshitter regarding his own history though, and one thing Maron is not is a determined digger. So many moments in the 'Bruce' bio have multiple people relating a story that doesn't fit his narrative, and then a great "gee shucks I dunno maybe but we were a band" Bruce interview that paves it all over. It's a big part of why I'm hesitant to read the auto.

Yea, my impression of him is that of a guy who has no problem inflating his own narrative.


He's a storyteller, so that's should be expected. I'm about to start his book, can't wait.

I don't follow your logic. Because he writes songs about fictitious characters, he should be able to spin a false narrative about himself? That would be sort of like if the singer of some other popular rock band decided to deny the existence of his former drummers. :mrgreen:


More so that he would twist and exaggerate facts to make a better story. I don't think you get to his position as an American/Rock and Roll icon without a certain degree of ego and/or hubris.

Ugh. I hate rock stars.




Hang on. You guys are complaining about Bruce.


Have any of you read anything about Neil Young and just how many people he's fucked over down the years?

Secondly have you read his meandering, totally bonkers and deluded autobiography?

I read Shaky, which was awesome, but I did not read the autobiography. Yea, Neil has been a dickhead many, many times. But I don't get the sense it's because he's enamored with himself (like I do with Bruce or Eddie or Axl or Sir Paul or Bono or...). Shaky makes it clear that his mother was a cantankerous, stubborn woman who did what she wanted, and it seems like Neil would probably be that way whether he was a rock star or a plumber.




Bruce's book is mostly about his father torturing him and his family for years with his paranoid schizophrenia. I've read both. Bruce had a harder time. And fucked nobody over. But suffers crippling depressions all his life.


Neil's a consistently selfish cunt throughout his entire life. And doesn't seem to care.

But his music is 1000x better.


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tragabigzanda wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bruce is tomorrow's guest on Marc Maron's podcast, if anyone cares (I do not care).

Oh shit, this is a big one

I'm curious. He's a magnificently crafty bullshitter regarding his own history though, and one thing Maron is not is a determined digger. So many moments in the 'Bruce' bio have multiple people relating a story that doesn't fit his narrative, and then a great "gee shucks I dunno maybe but we were a band" Bruce interview that paves it all over. It's a big part of why I'm hesitant to read the auto.

Yea, my impression of him is that of a guy who has no problem inflating his own narrative.


He's a storyteller, so that's should be expected. I'm about to start his book, can't wait.

I don't follow your logic. Because he writes songs about fictitious characters, he should be able to spin a false narrative about himself? That would be sort of like if the singer of some other popular rock band decided to deny the existence of his former drummers. :mrgreen:


More so that he would twist and exaggerate facts to make a better story. I don't think you get to his position as an American/Rock and Roll icon without a certain degree of ego and/or hubris.

Ugh. I hate rock stars.




Hang on. You guys are complaining about Bruce.


Have any of you read anything about Neil Young and just how many people he's fucked over down the years?

Secondly have you read his meandering, totally bonkers and deluded autobiography?

I read Shaky, which was awesome, but I did not read the autobiography. Yea, Neil has been a dickhead many, many times. But I don't get the sense it's because he's enamored with himself (like I do with Bruce or Eddie or Axl or Sir Paul or Bono or...). Shaky makes it clear that his mother was a cantankerous, stubborn woman who did what she wanted, and it seems like Neil would probably be that way whether he was a rock star or a plumber.




Bruce's book is mostly about his father torturing him and his family for years with his paranoid schizophrenia. I've read both. Bruce had a harder time. And fucked nobody over. But suffers crippling depressions all his life.


Neil's a consistently selfish cunt throughout his entire life. And doesn't seem to care.

But his music is 1000x better.




They're both great at what they do. I'd take Bruce over Neil though.

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tragabigzanda wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bruce is tomorrow's guest on Marc Maron's podcast, if anyone cares (I do not care).

Oh shit, this is a big one

I'm curious. He's a magnificently crafty bullshitter regarding his own history though, and one thing Maron is not is a determined digger. So many moments in the 'Bruce' bio have multiple people relating a story that doesn't fit his narrative, and then a great "gee shucks I dunno maybe but we were a band" Bruce interview that paves it all over. It's a big part of why I'm hesitant to read the auto.

Yea, my impression of him is that of a guy who has no problem inflating his own narrative.


He's a storyteller, so that's should be expected. I'm about to start his book, can't wait.

I don't follow your logic. Because he writes songs about fictitious characters, he should be able to spin a false narrative about himself? That would be sort of like if the singer of some other popular rock band decided to deny the existence of his former drummers. :mrgreen:


More so that he would twist and exaggerate facts to make a better story. I don't think you get to his position as an American/Rock and Roll icon without a certain degree of ego and/or hubris.

Ugh. I hate rock stars.




Hang on. You guys are complaining about Bruce.


Have any of you read anything about Neil Young and just how many people he's fucked over down the years?

Secondly have you read his meandering, totally bonkers and deluded autobiography?

I read Shaky, which was awesome, but I did not read the autobiography. Yea, Neil has been a dickhead many, many times. But I don't get the sense it's because he's enamored with himself (like I do with Bruce or Eddie or Axl or Sir Paul or Bono or...). Shaky makes it clear that his mother was a cantankerous, stubborn woman who did what she wanted, and it seems like Neil would probably be that way whether he was a rock star or a plumber.




Bruce's book is mostly about his father torturing him and his family for years with his paranoid schizophrenia. I've read both. Bruce had a harder time. And fucked nobody over. But suffers crippling depressions all his life.


Neil's a consistently selfish cunt throughout his entire life. And doesn't seem to care.

But his music is 1000x better.

Well that's just not true


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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Monkey_Driven wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
Bruce is tomorrow's guest on Marc Maron's podcast, if anyone cares (I do not care).

Oh shit, this is a big one

I'm curious. He's a magnificently crafty bullshitter regarding his own history though, and one thing Maron is not is a determined digger. So many moments in the 'Bruce' bio have multiple people relating a story that doesn't fit his narrative, and then a great "gee shucks I dunno maybe but we were a band" Bruce interview that paves it all over. It's a big part of why I'm hesitant to read the auto.

Yea, my impression of him is that of a guy who has no problem inflating his own narrative.


He's a storyteller, so that's should be expected. I'm about to start his book, can't wait.

I don't follow your logic. Because he writes songs about fictitious characters, he should be able to spin a false narrative about himself? That would be sort of like if the singer of some other popular rock band decided to deny the existence of his former drummers. :mrgreen:


More so that he would twist and exaggerate facts to make a better story. I don't think you get to his position as an American/Rock and Roll icon without a certain degree of ego and/or hubris.

Ugh. I hate rock stars.




Hang on. You guys are complaining about Bruce.


Have any of you read anything about Neil Young and just how many people he's fucked over down the years?

Secondly have you read his meandering, totally bonkers and deluded autobiography?

I read Shaky, which was awesome, but I did not read the autobiography. Yea, Neil has been a dickhead many, many times. But I don't get the sense it's because he's enamored with himself (like I do with Bruce or Eddie or Axl or Sir Paul or Bono or...). Shaky makes it clear that his mother was a cantankerous, stubborn woman who did what she wanted, and it seems like Neil would probably be that way whether he was a rock star or a plumber.




Bruce's book is mostly about his father torturing him and his family for years with his paranoid schizophrenia. I've read both. Bruce had a harder time. And fucked nobody over. But suffers crippling depressions all his life.


Neil's a consistently selfish cunt throughout his entire life. And doesn't seem to care.

But his music is 1000x better.

Well that's just not true


1000 * 0 = 0


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I was going to order some of those live archive shows with holiday gift money, but after shipping they were so expensive I just decided to limit myself to one (I got the 2005 one; I have the 1980 one already). But then I realized I never picked up the "Hammersmith Odeon, London '75" album from a few years ago, so I ordered a used copy for about $4. Listening right now -- what a great sounding show. Even early on he was radically reimagining songs (the slow version of "E Street Shuffle" is really cool, and of course the solo piano "Thunder Road"). An artist with the world at his fingertips -- a thing to behold.


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Kevin Davis wrote:
I was going to order some of those live archive shows with holiday gift money, but after shipping they were so expensive I just decided to limit myself to one (I got the 2005 one; I have the 1980 one already). But then I realized I never picked up the "Hammersmith Odeon, London '75" album from a few years ago, so I ordered a used copy for about $4. Listening right now -- what a great sounding show. Even early on he was radically reimagining songs (the slow version of "E Street Shuffle" is really cool, and of course the solo piano "Thunder Road"). An artist with the world at his fingertips -- a thing to behold.



He really hated that show. Speaks about it at length in his book.

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You'd sure never guess that from his liner notes in the CD


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You'd sure never guess that from his liner notes in the CD



It was the hype the promoter had built up around London and the venue.
Shows how sensitive / relatively insecure he was at that time.

The DVD of the show comes with the born to run box set I think. I loved it. All grainy n 70s

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Kevin Davis wrote:
I was going to order some of those live archive shows with holiday gift money, but after shipping they were so expensive I just decided to limit myself to one (I got the 2005 one; I have the 1980 one already). But then I realized I never picked up the "Hammersmith Odeon, London '75" album from a few years ago, so I ordered a used copy for about $4. Listening right now -- what a great sounding show. Even early on he was radically reimagining songs (the slow version of "E Street Shuffle" is really cool, and of course the solo piano "Thunder Road"). An artist with the world at his fingertips -- a thing to behold.


If you're looking for another archive show to buy, I'd recommend the Christic Shows from the early 90s. It's just Bruce on guitar/piano. His voice sounds fantastic (it's right before he started singing in that horrible country music twang that still plagues him today).

The version of Real World may be one of his best performances: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_PxWw_g_pE

And yet the version that would eventually be recorded for Human Touch a few years later is abysmal.

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 Post subject: Re: Bruce Springsteen
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I almost grabbed the Christic shows but it lost out due to the fact that it was 2 shows with almost identical setlists. I'll get 'em next go-'round.


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