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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
PostPosted: Mon September 25, 2017 9:14 pm 
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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
Meh. JOF has never done much for me.

Me either, I've always been a bit mystified by its reputation as being some kind of high water mark for the band. Facelift and Dirt are so much better.


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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
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Birds in Hell wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
Meh. JOF has never done much for me.

Me either, I've always been a bit mystified by its reputation as being some kind of high water mark for the band. Facelift and Dirt are so much better.

Dirt is the other AIC album I like. I could do without any other AIC. But Jar of Flies is spectacular (except the last song, which is trash). Six perfect songs performed and recorded beautifully. It's as good as any grunge era album. And I say that as someone that would rank AIC far below the other bands in the grunge tournament.


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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
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It's not so much that I like AiC. I just really really love Jar of Flies. And maybe a few more of their hits.

I don't listen to any of the other albums, except maybe Sap, which is kind of a proto-JoF.

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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
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BurtReynolds wrote:
It's not so much that I like AiC. I just really really love Jar of Flies. And maybe a few more of their hits.

Exactly


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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
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JOF and Tripod are my favorites from AIC.

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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
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Crazy.

If I were to make an Alice in Chains top 20, I don't think a single song from Sap or Jar of Flies would make it.


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BurtReynolds wrote:
It's not so much that I like AiC. I just really really love Jar of Flies. And maybe a few more of their hits.

I don't listen to any of the other albums, except maybe Sap, which is kind of a proto-JoF.

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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
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Birds in Hell wrote:
Crazy.

If I were to make an Alice in Chains top 20, I don't think a single song from Sap or Jar of Flies would make it.

perhaps it is you who is crazy.

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:lol: JoF would probably have five or six songs in my top seven AIC.


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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
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I have a playlist of just those EPs because they're so awesome.


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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
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1. Rotten Apple
2. Don't Follow
3. Nutshell
4. No Excuses
5. I Stay Away
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Dirt is their best but I love Sap.


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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
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I like Alice in Chains a lot (well, the Sap-Dirt-JoF-AiC run), but Jar of Flies is just heads and shoulders above everything else.

It's entirely possible that Rotten Apples, Nutshell, Don't Follow, and No Excuses are 4 of my top 6 (with Would and A Little Bitter)

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There are several songs on Facelift I'd rank above anything on Jar of Flies.


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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
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I like Alice in Chains a lot (well, the Sap-Dirt-JoF-AiC run), but Jar of Flies is just heads and shoulders above everything else.

It's entirely possible that Rotten Apples, Nutshell, Don't Follow, and No Excuses are 4 of my top 6 (with Would and A Little Bitter)


:heartbeat: I Stay Away is great too.


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 Post subject: Re: Alice in Chains
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"Facelift" definitely starts off strong and then takes a nosedive. It's pretty indisputably their weakest album, a kind of grotesque grunge-glam Frankenstein's monster that never really finds its sweet spot.

"Dirt" is pretty much AIC 101 -- I won't say I love every track, but this record is their essence, imitated by dozens, and probably contains more immediately satisfying songs than any other record they made.

The self-titled album is a dense, complex work that repays attentive listening -- the harmonies in particular, both between Staley and Cantrell and between the vocal melodies and chords, are among the most innovative and unusual I've ever heard, a high watermark for music theory within the grunge niche.

Both EP's are essential, not a bad song on either one.

All that said, I don't necessarily disagree that a good 20 song or so comp would pretty much serve my AIC needs from here on out. Definitely not a hits-only comp, though.


I'm going to walk back my classification of "Sap" as "essential" and reclassify it as "pretty okay" but I'm sticking by this. I could reduce AIC to a single disc compilation with minimal heartburn over what to cut; I don't think I could fill a second disc without crossing over into excess.


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Kevin Davis wrote:
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"Facelift" definitely starts off strong and then takes a nosedive. It's pretty indisputably their weakest album, a kind of grotesque grunge-glam Frankenstein's monster that never really finds its sweet spot.

"Dirt" is pretty much AIC 101 -- I won't say I love every track, but this record is their essence, imitated by dozens, and probably contains more immediately satisfying songs than any other record they made.

The self-titled album is a dense, complex work that repays attentive listening -- the harmonies in particular, both between Staley and Cantrell and between the vocal melodies and chords, are among the most innovative and unusual I've ever heard, a high watermark for music theory within the grunge niche.

Both EP's are essential, not a bad song on either one.

All that said, I don't necessarily disagree that a good 20 song or so comp would pretty much serve my AIC needs from here on out. Definitely not a hits-only comp, though.


I'm going to walk back my classification of "Sap" as "essential" and reclassify it as "pretty okay" but I'm sticking by this. I could reduce AIC to a single disc compilation with minimal heartburn over what to cut; I don't think I could fill a second disc without crossing over into excess.


I don't think I could even do that much. I love JoF and maybe five more AIC songs. The rest of their stuff does basically nothing for me or I actively dislike it.


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For me it's Dirt plus Brother, Got Me Wrong, Rotten Apple, Nutshell and I Stay Away and Over Now.

An extra three or four from ST and that's a wrap.

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Dirt, JoF, most of Sap, most of ST, MITB, WDY, SOS, ALB, WTHHI

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Kevin Davis wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
"Facelift" definitely starts off strong and then takes a nosedive. It's pretty indisputably their weakest album, a kind of grotesque grunge-glam Frankenstein's monster that never really finds its sweet spot.

"Dirt" is pretty much AIC 101 -- I won't say I love every track, but this record is their essence, imitated by dozens, and probably contains more immediately satisfying songs than any other record they made.

The self-titled album is a dense, complex work that repays attentive listening -- the harmonies in particular, both between Staley and Cantrell and between the vocal melodies and chords, are among the most innovative and unusual I've ever heard, a high watermark for music theory within the grunge niche.

Both EP's are essential, not a bad song on either one.

All that said, I don't necessarily disagree that a good 20 song or so comp would pretty much serve my AIC needs from here on out. Definitely not a hits-only comp, though.


I'm going to walk back my classification of "Sap" as "essential" and reclassify it as "pretty okay" but I'm sticking by this. I could reduce AIC to a single disc compilation with minimal heartburn over what to cut; I don't think I could fill a second disc without crossing over into excess.


Probably a disc and a half for me, but I agree. They are an essential songs band, but the essentials are great

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