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Post subject: Re: Total Fucking Godhead / The Soundgarden Thread
Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 1:19 am
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Birds in Hell wrote:
I think you're misunderstanding me, Jorge. The irrationality of the thought process behind the decision is, I expect, little comfort to those impacted by it.
Of course; maybe I'm not being clear with what I meant: it can't be a selfish act if your perception is warped to the point where you think you're doing everyone a kindness by taking yourself out of the equation. From a clear outside perspective, of course that's not true. But people who get to that point aren't thinking "oh, but this will make everybody sad... fuck 'em." They're down a dark, dark hole of despair, and getting out doesn't seem like a "way out" as much as the only possible thing. I don't want to get super personal on an RM thread, I just object to calling someone who finally succumbed to the deepest, darkest depression "selfish". It's not born out of selfish desire. Yes it is devastating and traumatic for everyone around them. That goes without saying.
***this is all in general terms; of course there are people who kill themselves out of spite or myriad other dumb reasons. I'm speaking strictly from the point of view of depression, which I don't know is what happened to Cornell (haven't been keeping up with the news)
Post subject: Re: Total Fucking Godhead / The Soundgarden Thread
Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 1:27 am
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A friend posted this quote today on Facebook:
"The so-called ‘psychotically depressed’ person who tries to kill herself doesn’t do so out of quote ‘hopelessness’ or any abstract conviction that life’s assets and debits do not square. And surely not because death seems suddenly appealing.
The person in whom Its invisible agony reaches a certain unendurable level will kill herself the same way a trapped person will eventually jump from the window of a burning high-rise. Make no mistake about people who leap from burning windows. Their terror of falling from a great height is still just as great as it would be for you or me standing speculatively at the same window just checking out the view; i.e. the fear of falling remains a constant.
The variable here is the other terror, the fire’s flames: when the flames get close enough, falling to death becomes the slightly less terrible of two terrors. It’s not desiring the fall; it’s terror of the flames. And yet nobody down on the sidewalk, looking up and yelling ‘Don’t!’ and ‘Hang on!’, can understand the jump. Not really. You’d have to have personally been trapped and felt flames to really understand a terror way beyond falling." ~ David Foster Wallace
Post subject: Re: Total Fucking Godhead / The Soundgarden Thread
Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 1:28 am
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Joined: Sat January 05, 2013 1:57 pm Posts: 32483 Location: Where everybody knows your name
Kevin Davis wrote:
There have been a lot of musician deaths during my lifetime but this one and Weiland have hit the hardest, this one perhaps even more so just because it came as so much more of a shock. I always feel a vague twinge of sadness when a musician whose music means something to me passes away, but these guys who were there as I was really discovering the art form -- I dunno, it's like someone came into my house with a big stick of dynamite and blew out the foundation. Now how's the thing supposed to stand? This would become the music against which all other music would be measured -- not in a raw quality sense, necessarily, an "is this as good as that?" thing, but rather "does it take me to the kinds of far-flung places that I know this stuff can take me? does it tell me something about the world that I don't already know? does this music tell some part of my story?" So much of how my brain processes music is built on this stuff -- on Nirvana, on STP, on Soundgarden. Of course we still have the music, thank goodness. But there's just something that happens when the living, breathing spirit behind the work ceases to exist. It's not easy to explain, and is probably not practical. But I think it's nonetheless sincere and speaks to the idea of art as a sort of connective fiber between people who have never met. No question Chris Cornell impacted my life in a profound way. I wish he could have found the strength.
Thanks for this. You put into words what a lot of us are feeling. Well done.
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Post subject: Re: Total Fucking Godhead / The Soundgarden Thread
Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 1:30 am
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sometimes people are in so much pain, they get to the point where dying is the way out
i am not arguing for it. i am just saying it because the whole 'rational' vs. 'irrational' vs. 'think about the kids' stuff - it doesn't have to be about petty stuff or selfishness. it can have to do simply with being in so much pain that you cannot control or remedy and wanting a way out.
i have cried on and off all day. their songs are in my head continually throughout the day. i am wired for SG. and PJ. this feels like a massive loss. of a friend and in some ways a role model.
in retrospect, almost every soundgarden song has a reference to death or depression or suicide or something along those lines
he must have been living in pain and "finding the strength" for decades. eventually, you might lose that battle on the 147,685th endless late night
but enough of that bullshit
honor his life. honor the massive body of work he left behind. honor his spirit.
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Post subject: Re: Total Fucking Godhead / The Soundgarden Thread
Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 1:39 am
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Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 3:35 pm Posts: 32274 Location: Buenos Aires
You'd figure a frank discussion about suicide, depression and mental illness would be one of the only potentially positive things to come out of this tragedy. But sorry.
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