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Post subject: Re: The everyone LOVES radiohead thread!
Posted: Thu January 18, 2024 5:36 pm
Broken Tamborine
Joined: Sat April 22, 2023 2:59 am Posts: 301
Jorge wrote:
tree_ wrote:
sounds pretty great to me.. love the off kilter time signature, reminiscent of pyramid song
"Pyramid Song" is in 4/4!
"Pyramid Song" is in 4/4 if you look at it simplistically. (Which is what Phil Selway does - he says it's in 4/4 like others do but with a pattern that he "feels".)
But to understand it at a deeper level, Selway is really "feeling" a syncopated time signature pattern. There is one bar of 5/4, two bars of 4/4 and then it concludes with one bar of 3/4 (the ending drum fill).
So technically it does change time signatures, but the pattern is 16 beats total so it fits within four bars of 4/4 as a sub-division. That's the genius of it.
These kinds of patterns are typical in the work of Frank Zappa, whose music sounds rhythmically disorienting at face value but can be easily learned if sub-divisions are understood. He would prove this by re-arranging "difficult" pieces into "danceable" 4/4 versions ("The Black Page" 1 & 2 on Zappa In New York for example, where he tells the audience what he is up to right on the album and encourages them to dance).
Post subject: Re: The everyone LOVES radiohead thread!
Posted: Sat January 20, 2024 11:03 am
NYUCK NYUCK NYUCK
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 3:35 pm Posts: 32418 Location: Buenos Aires
Happy Trees wrote:
Jorge wrote:
tree_ wrote:
sounds pretty great to me.. love the off kilter time signature, reminiscent of pyramid song
"Pyramid Song" is in 4/4!
"Pyramid Song" is in 4/4 if you look at it simplistically. (Which is what Phil Selway does - he says it's in 4/4 like others do but with a pattern that he "feels".)
But to understand it at a deeper level, Selway is really "feeling" a syncopated time signature pattern. There is one bar of 5/4, two bars of 4/4 and then it concludes with one bar of 3/4 (the ending drum fill).
So technically it does change time signatures, but the pattern is 16 beats total so it fits within four bars of 4/4 as a sub-division. That's the genius of it.
These kinds of patterns are typical in the work of Frank Zappa, whose music sounds rhythmically disorienting at face value but can be easily learned if sub-divisions are understood. He would prove this by re-arranging "difficult" pieces into "danceable" 4/4 versions ("The Black Page" 1 & 2 on Zappa In New York for example, where he tells the audience what he is up to right on the album and encourages them to dance).
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