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Post subject: Re: Entire genres that only need one thread: Kesha
Posted: Wed February 24, 2016 9:49 pm
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I hope this doesn't come off as victim shaming -- that's certainly not my intent -- but I wonder: If Kesha does get out of her deal with Dr. Luke, and gets back to making pop music, will she still write songs about sex/drugs/partying? Or will she do an about-face to something more empowering?
Post subject: Re: Entire genres that only need one thread: Kesha
Posted: Wed February 24, 2016 9:51 pm
The Master
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tragabigzanda wrote:
I hope this doesn't come off as victim shaming -- that's certainly not my intent -- but I wonder: If Kesha does get out of her deal with Dr. Luke, and gets back to making pop music, will she still write songs about sex/drugs/partying? Or will she do an about-face to something more empowering?
So sex/drugs/partying can't be empowering? I've always gotten a strong sense of power and independence from Kesha's music.
Post subject: Re: Entire genres that only need one thread: Kesha
Posted: Wed February 24, 2016 9:57 pm
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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
I hope this doesn't come off as victim shaming -- that's certainly not my intent -- but I wonder: If Kesha does get out of her deal with Dr. Luke, and gets back to making pop music, will she still write songs about sex/drugs/partying? Or will she do an about-face to something more empowering?
So sex/drugs/partying can't be empowering? I've always gotten a strong sense of power and independence from Kesha's music.
Oh, I think those things can be empowering, for sure -- if you know how to do them responsibly. But they can also put one in a position to be a victim.
Post subject: Re: Entire genres that only need one thread: Kesha
Posted: Wed February 24, 2016 9:58 pm
The Master
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tragabigzanda wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
I hope this doesn't come off as victim shaming -- that's certainly not my intent -- but I wonder: If Kesha does get out of her deal with Dr. Luke, and gets back to making pop music, will she still write songs about sex/drugs/partying? Or will she do an about-face to something more empowering?
So sex/drugs/partying can't be empowering? I've always gotten a strong sense of power and independence from Kesha's music.
Oh, I think those things can be empowering, for sure -- if you know how to do them responsibly. But they can also put one in a position to be a victim.
Post subject: Re: Entire genres that only need one thread: Kesha
Posted: Wed February 24, 2016 10:00 pm
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LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
I hope this doesn't come off as victim shaming -- that's certainly not my intent -- but I wonder: If Kesha does get out of her deal with Dr. Luke, and gets back to making pop music, will she still write songs about sex/drugs/partying? Or will she do an about-face to something more empowering?
So sex/drugs/partying can't be empowering? I've always gotten a strong sense of power and independence from Kesha's music.
Oh, I think those things can be empowering, for sure -- if you know how to do them responsibly. But they can also put one in a position to be a victim.
This seems like sketchy logic.
...says the guy who thinks art should be evaluated free of context; gushes over how every waking moment of Kanye's life is art; and thinks that hate speech should be evaluated in the context with which it's delivered.
I know, LV -- Whatever makes me feel superior, right?
Post subject: Re: Entire genres that only need one thread: Kesha
Posted: Wed February 24, 2016 10:02 pm
The Master
Joined: Sun May 25, 2014 9:32 pm Posts: 31614 Location: Garbage Dump
tragabigzanda wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
I hope this doesn't come off as victim shaming -- that's certainly not my intent -- but I wonder: If Kesha does get out of her deal with Dr. Luke, and gets back to making pop music, will she still write songs about sex/drugs/partying? Or will she do an about-face to something more empowering?
So sex/drugs/partying can't be empowering? I've always gotten a strong sense of power and independence from Kesha's music.
Oh, I think those things can be empowering, for sure -- if you know how to do them responsibly. But they can also put one in a position to be a victim.
This seems like sketchy logic.
...says the guy who thinks art should be evaluated free of context; gushes over how every waking moment of Kanye's life is art; and thinks that hate speech should be evaluated in the context with which it's delivered.
I know, LV -- Whatever makes me feel superior, right?
I do not think art should be evaluated free of context. And I never said anything about hate speech.
Post subject: Re: Entire genres that only need one thread: Kesha
Posted: Wed February 24, 2016 10:07 pm
The Master
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chewm wrote:
The situation is really fucked up and I really don't think it means that she should change the direction of her music or lyrics.
Right. That's a super fucked-up expectation to place on a victim of abuse. A person and their art not defined by their abuse. Not to mention that the alleged abuse in this situation had already happened before Ke$ha made the music that made her famous.
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This seems like sketchy logic.