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 Post subject: Re: Alanis
PostPosted: Fri September 10, 2021 4:28 pm 
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i remember when the song came out being singled out as a song about a story he had with an older producer. Thats why i thought it was Ballard´s story.

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 Post subject: Re: Alanis
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Interesting. I know that song but never thought about the lyrics very deeply. It has a cheery melody, I would've never guessed it was about something so dark

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i remember when the song came out being singled out as a song about a story he had with an older producer. Thats why i thought it was Ballard´s story.

Oh sure. I can see that. Totally makes sense. I think the "supposed crime" stuff along with the age references made me think it pre-dated Ballard. And, again, I've always heard her speak highly of him. But I totally see where you made that connection.


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I thought Hands Clean was about Glen Ballard not about multiple men raping her when she was 15.

Wtf. That's messed up.

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 Post subject: Re: Alanis
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Begs the question, will RM's big Alanis fans actually watch?


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im so fucking in for this doc

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 Post subject: Re: Alanis
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Despite sitting for hours of interviews for a new HBO documentary about her life, Alanis Morissette says she is so unhappy with the final product that she will not support the film.

The movie, “Jagged,” details the singer’s rise to fame in her early 20s, culminating with the release of her bestselling “Jagged Little Pill” album. The film, which will debut on HBO on Nov. 19, is set to have its world premiere at the Toronto International Film Festival on Tuesday afternoon — though Morissette says she will not promote the film on either date.

The Grammy winner, 47, said she agreed to participate in director Alison Klayman’s documentary under the guise that it would celebrate the 25th anniversary of her iconic album release. But in a statement issued by her publicist, Morissette said she was interviewed “during a very vulnerable time” in the midst of her “third postpartum depression during lockdown.”

“I was lulled into a false sense of security and their salacious agenda became apparent immediately upon my seeing the first cut of the film,” Morissette said. “This is when I knew our visions were in fact painfully diverged. This was not the story I agreed to tell.

“I sit here now experiencing the full impact of having trusted someone who did not warrant being trusted,” she continued. “Not unlike many ‘stories’ and unauthorized biographies out there over the years, this one includes implications and facts that are simply not true. While there is beauty and some elements of accuracy in this/my story to be sure— I ultimately won’t be supporting someone else’s reductive take on a story much too nuanced for them to ever grasp or tell.”


Neither HBO nor Klayman — who is best known for directing the 2019 documentary “The Brink” about Steve Bannon — immediately responded to a request for comment

It is unclear which “implications and facts” Morissette deems untrue in “Jagged,” and her representative did not elaborate further beyond the musician’s statement.

As reported last week in the Washington Post, however, the film does get into Morissette’s history of alleged sexual abuse. In the film, she says she had multiple sexual encounters when she was 15 that she classifies as statutory rape. She does not detail any of the incidents in depth, though she says that when she previously shared such news with peers, it “kind of fell on deaf ears.”

Before discussing the subject, Morissette does tell the filmmaker that she’s “going to need some help because I never talk about this.”

She has, however, addressed the topic more broadly before — particularly in a Broadway musical inspired by her music, titled “Jagged Little Pill” — that she co-created with Diablo Cody.

“There was some apprehension to talk about sexual abuse and assault in the show, and my initial thought was, ‘Why would we avoid this?’” Morissette told The Times in 2020. “My response was, ‘Look, it’s me. I’ve had this experience in my past, and I’m not afraid of talking about it. I got this. I will be able to support this ongoing conversation in whatever form it shows up.’ Doing this wasn’t daunting to me.”


Meanwhile, the majority of “Jagged” focuses on the singer’s early career in Canada, continuing with an emphasis on her immense popularity when “Jagged Little Pill” was released. The movie features a series of music critics and talking heads, including Shirley Manson, who emphasize her importance to the music industry, as well as interviews with her all-male band at the time. Though her relationship with the male musicians is depicted as a friendly one, it is also made clear that they engaged in drug use and partying without her, and she expresses dismay that they used her clout to attract women.

Morissette is in the midst of a world tour to coincide with the “Jagged Little Pill” anniversary that will stop at the Hollywood Bowl in early October.


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i'm not an Alanis fan so I've got no dog in this fight. But I just think about the Bourdain doc, and what went down there. Here's a guy who's art means the world to me, and he kept a very tight rein on what he put out there. To know that doc probably would have pissed him off makes me not want to watch it, and I'm not sure it would add anything to my appreciation of Tony and his life.

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Im not a fan, and im sure ill be entertained with the doc. Shame that she doesnt like it, i guess she is upset with how they are showing that rape stuff maybe?

About the Bourdain doc, i liked it enough for what it is. I think its shows a respectable image of him.

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if Alanis doesn't like or support this doc I won't be watching it


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The whole thing feels complex and layered and I'm still processing what to think/how to feel about it.


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r you watching it?

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It's messy. It's Alanis's story, but she's also the subject of someone else's artistic work. Hard to know how to feel about it before watching it.

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Also, it seems she doesnt like how they are showing not only the rape thing but her relationship with his band back in the day.

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I’m just gonna watch Wayne’s World again instead

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I’m just gonna watch Wayne’s World again instead


Its cancelled.

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VinylGuy wrote:
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I’m just gonna watch Wayne’s World again instead


Its cancelled.

Got it on DVD, baby!

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I watched Wayne's World again a while back (it's my favourite comedy ever) expecting it to be super problematic and hurtful (I'm looking at you, Ace Ventura), but it was still surprisingly good and wholesome


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do you guys feel bad for comedies you loved and these days might be "problematic"?

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