I think these are related. That we are having an earnest conversation about which of these two Twitter-driven fame-addicts would make a better president is one of many cultural signs for a renewal in earnestness in not just art, but thought, action, all facets of life...

It's too big a discussion for me to tackle right now.

But to the matter at hand: Kanye is trying to angle his celebrity into something political. He's not the first to do it. DiCaprio, Clooney, Heston, many others have done it. As it relates to the man's art, the arena for which he is most widely known and arguably the most talented is, is his music. I see a reasonably easy path for his channeling his anger into a more radio-friendly version of Yeezus, that sounds awesome, blows people's minds, and goes down like the next Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. He could give the profits to charities or PACs or something.

Should he continue to play the fame game, in both his art and politics, this would be both very egotistical and very boring to me.

I feel like the world is in a real bad place right now, and people should be getting earnest about how they are contributing. Kanye West is at the top of the game. I hope he uses his position with good sense and great care for the planet, whatever that looks like.

So perhaps it isn't a crusade to get LV to stop liking Kanye, but rather a crusade to find the one thing Kanye can do that LV can't defend.

Ah, I see.

Everything he does just makes sense to me. He is like a better version of my inner self that I don't yet understand.

This song is going to help me get through this horrible day in American history..

Everything he does just makes sense to me. He is like a better version of my inner self that I don't yet understand.

This song is going to help me get through this horrible day in American history..

also KD, my point was i dont think this is a nuanced situation. Neither of these 2 have given me any reason to think otherwise.

Fair, but you presumably don't really know either of these people very well either. Everybody seems "under-nuanced" when all you know about them is the craziest shit they do that gets onto TV. And again, my reply was more to what read pretty clearly as a generalization in your language.

Lest my comments be misconstrued, I think Donald Trump sucks.

My friend who produced the recent local natives album who has a new studio/involved with the justin vernon crew in Eau Claire said he worked with Kanye in the studio and he told me that kanye said he is "pimping the american public"

I understand Kanye is an entertainer. he takes it to the max. I just dont respect it. He has the ability to influence positively and he's not doing it. Cause ego.

Fair, but you presumably don't really know either of these people very well either. Everybody seems "under-nuanced" when all you know about them is the craziest shit they do that gets onto TV. And again, my reply was more to what read pretty clearly as a generalization in your language.

Lest my comments be misconstrued, I think Donald Trump sucks.

Oh well if your friend said so

My friend who produced the recent local natives album who has a new studio/involved with the justin vernon crew in Eau Claire said he worked with Kanye in the studio and he told me that kanye said he is "pimping the american public"

I understand Kanye is an entertainer. he takes it to the max. I just dont respect it. He has the ability to influence positively and he's not doing it. Cause ego.

Oh well if your friend said so