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I have a hard time with the idea of lyrical content being a driver for musical genres. A genre can support a wide range of subject matter, and even ones which typically don't can survive anomalies. Just because something sticks out as unique within a category doesn't mean it can't also belong to the category.
I don’t think anyone is being particularly exclusionary here...
I was referring back to Jorge's comment about bands like SOAD not fitting the genre because they are too political rather than inward-looking.
Re: Rage and System being too political for nu-metal. I have a hard time with the idea of lyrical content being a driver for musical genres. A genre can support a wide range of subject matter, and even ones which typically don't can survive anomalies. Just because something sticks out as unique within a category doesn't mean it can't also belong to the category.
Maybe a working definition of what does define, rather than what does not define, would be helpful?
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Kevin Davis wrote:
Kaius wrote:
Kevin Davis wrote:
I have a hard time with the idea of lyrical content being a driver for musical genres. A genre can support a wide range of subject matter, and even ones which typically don't can survive anomalies. Just because something sticks out as unique within a category doesn't mean it can't also belong to the category.
I don’t think anyone is being particularly exclusionary here...
I was referring back to Jorge's comment about bands like SOAD not fitting the genre because they are too political rather than inward-looking.
He’s just hesitant to put one of his favorite bands into this box.
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Yeah but when we're getting this level of granular it's not unheard-of to fit "lyrical themes" as a genre convention. Gangsta rap, protest music, Christian rock, all of those are sub-genres that are explicitly about something, lyrically. Not saying that's objectively the case with nu-metal, just saying that my own perception of the genre includes the my-life-sucks whiny lyrics.
Re: Rage and System being too political for nu-metal. I have a hard time with the idea of lyrical content being a driver for musical genres. A genre can support a wide range of subject matter, and even ones which typically don't can survive anomalies. Just because something sticks out as unique within a category doesn't mean it can't also belong to the category.
Maybe a working definition of what does define, rather than what does not define, would be helpful?
Jorge gave a pretty good one; I just disagree with that one part.
For what it's worth, I share your general distaste for the overclassification of music; the fact that this thread comprises fourteen pages of people trying to discern whether certain bands do or do not belong in a certain genre is evidence that the terminologies don't even really serve their basic function as shorthand for the body of work they supposedly encompass. But I can't deny that this has been a fun thread.
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Re: Rage and System being too political for nu-metal. I have a hard time with the idea of lyrical content being a driver for musical genres. A genre can support a wide range of subject matter, and even ones which typically don't can survive anomalies. Just because something sticks out as unique within a category doesn't mean it can't also belong to the category.
Maybe a working definition of what does define, rather than what does not define, would be helpful?
Jorge gave a pretty good one; I just disagree with that one part.
For what it's worth, I share your general distaste for the overclassification of music; the fact that this thread comprises fourteen pages of people trying to discern whether certain bands do or do not belong in a certain genre is evidence that the terminologies don't even really serve their basic function as shorthand for the body of work they supposedly encompass. But I can't deny that this has been a fun thread.
I honesty can't tell whether or not people are actually frustrated with me in this thread. But I THINK we're all in on the joke. Regardless, I love this thread and this conversation. No lie.
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