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Nothing released from a drummer after they left the band. Can include Jack I, Dave A and Dave K only if it was released in the time period they were a member.
Anything from Matt C goes, from the beginning of time until now.
Post subject: Re: What mega tournament would you like to see next?
Posted: Tue March 08, 2022 5:24 pm
The Master
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 46435 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
OK, since this would be a side-project tourney, that implies that:
1. The project has to have begun after PJ's inception. So TOTD is in, Soundgarden is out.
2. The project has to have been active while the band member in question was active in PJ. So no Green Romance Orchestra, Candlebox, etc.
3. For simplicity sake, I think we jettison anything that qualifies as a compilation: No Flag Day soundtrack, none of Mike's soundtrack work.
4. I don't think it's unreasonable to consider Boom and Klinghoffer to be hired guns and not contributing members, so the Po Fathers and Pluralone stuff is out.
Post subject: Re: What mega tournament would you like to see next?
Posted: Tue March 08, 2022 6:17 pm
Fake NYC Setlist Relayer
Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 7:55 pm Posts: 7409
tragabigzanda wrote:
OK, since this would be a side-project tourney, that implies that:
1. The project has to have begun after PJ's inception. So TOTD is in, Soundgarden is out.
2. The project has to have been active while the band member in question was active in PJ. So no Green Romance Orchestra, Candlebox, etc.
3. For simplicity sake, I think we jettison anything that qualifies as a compilation: No Flag Day soundtrack, none of Mike's soundtrack work.
4. I don't think it's unreasonable to consider Boom and Klinghoffer to be hired guns and not contributing members, so the Po Fathers and Pluralone stuff is out.
Seem fair?
Couple of points of order: we need a 90s rock historian to trace the history of Wellwater Conspiracy, who would I think be out due to these rules since their first album is in 1997 and Matt Cameron joined Pearl Jam in 1998. Hater similarly out since the first album is 1993(?). Eleven out since the first album I think predates Jack Irons in Pearl Jam.
Post subject: Re: What mega tournament would you like to see next?
Posted: Tue March 08, 2022 6:31 pm
The Master
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 46435 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
liebzz wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
OK, since this would be a side-project tourney, that implies that:
1. The project has to have begun after PJ's inception. So TOTD is in, Soundgarden is out.
2. The project has to have been active while the band member in question was active in PJ. So no Green Romance Orchestra, Candlebox, etc.
3. For simplicity sake, I think we jettison anything that qualifies as a compilation: No Flag Day soundtrack, none of Mike's soundtrack work.
4. I don't think it's unreasonable to consider Boom and Klinghoffer to be hired guns and not contributing members, so the Po Fathers and Pluralone stuff is out.
Seem fair?
Couple of points of order: we need a 90s rock historian to trace the history of Wellwater Conspiracy, who would I think be out due to these rules since their first album is in 1997 and Matt Cameron joined Pearl Jam in 1998. Hater similarly out since the first album is 1993(?). Eleven out since the first album I think predates Jack Irons in Pearl Jam.
Under these rules, Into the Wild is out.
Why is Into the Wild out? It's not a compilation, the whole thing is by Ed.
Post subject: Re: What mega tournament would you like to see next?
Posted: Tue March 08, 2022 6:35 pm
The Master
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 46435 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
Also I'd be glad to make an exception for WWC, on the grounds that it was clearly never intended to be a primary focus and that it continued well into his tenure with the band.
Post subject: Re: What mega tournament would you like to see next?
Posted: Tue March 08, 2022 6:41 pm
Fake NYC Setlist Relayer
Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 7:55 pm Posts: 7409
If Mike’s soundtracks are out, which are all Mike, then why would Into the Wild be in?
I mean, Into the Wild is a compilation of covers and originals meant as a soundtrack to a film in a similar universe to Flag Day, where Ed appears in one form or another on most of the tracks.
Post subject: Re: What mega tournament would you like to see next?
Posted: Tue March 08, 2022 6:51 pm
Fake NYC Setlist Relayer
Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 7:55 pm Posts: 7409
I would define the rules as follows:
- No bands where that band enjoyed an extensive level of commercial success that would defy the spirit of this exercise (I.e. Soundgarden, RHCP, Candlebox).
- eligibility as a side project must includes only projects from band members central to more than one album (Eddie Vedder, Stone Gossard, Jeff Ament, Mike McCready, Matt Cameron, Dave A., Jack Irons)
- single or minimal contribution to a project does not count (I.e. Star Anna is out).
Which means we then should compile the list of eligible projects.
Post subject: Re: What mega tournament would you like to see next?
Posted: Tue March 08, 2022 6:55 pm
The Master
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 46435 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
liebzz wrote:
If Mike’s soundtracks are out, which are all Mike, then why would Into the Wild be in?
I mean, Into the Wild is a compilation of covers and originals meant as a soundtrack to a film in a similar universe to Flag Day, where Ed appears in one form or another on most of the tracks.
Because Mike's soundtracks often include recordings other artists (like The Searcher). I'm honestly not too familiar with this part of his discography, so if there are any soundtracks that are primarily his work, than I'm find to include them. Conversely, Eddie is featured on every track of ITW.
As for Flag Day, I haven't listened to it yet. Isn't he only on like half the songs?
liebzz wrote:
I would define the rules as follows:
- No bands where that band enjoyed an extensive level of commercial success that would defy the spirit of this exercise (I.e. Soundgarden, RHCP, Candlebox).
- eligibility as a side project must includes only projects from band members central to more than one album (Eddie Vedder, Stone Gossard, Jeff Ament, Mike McCready, Matt Cameron, Dave A., Jack Irons)
- single or minimal contribution to a project does not count (I.e. Star Anna is out).
Which means we then should compile the list of eligible projects.
I agree with all this. But I still think it's too broad in scope, an we'd have to get into Deranged Diction, Eleven, etc. It really should be limited to projects started after PJ began, IMO (with a possible exception for WWC because they are widely celebrated).
Post subject: Re: What mega tournament would you like to see next?
Posted: Tue March 08, 2022 8:36 pm
Fake NYC Setlist Relayer
Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 7:55 pm Posts: 7409
I get what you are saying. My concern is whether a couple individual voices could or should nix Eleven or Deranged Diction because we may not like it. It’s also an opportunity to expose some to these projects that didn’t know about them or never took the time to listen but might if they get to vote on it.
Post subject: Re: What mega tournament would you like to see next?
Posted: Tue March 08, 2022 8:41 pm
The Master
Joined: Tue September 24, 2013 5:56 pm Posts: 46435 Location: In the oatmeal aisle wearing a Shellac shirt
liebzz wrote:
I get what you are saying. My concern is whether a couple individual voices could or should nix Eleven or Deranged Diction because we may not like it. It’s also an opportunity to expose some to these projects that didn’t know about them or never took the time to listen but might if they get to vote on it.
They're not side projects. If you want to reframe this as "extended PJ family tree," I'd have no argument. But as alternative creative outlets for the guys in PJ, they just don't fit the bill.
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