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the sound on their first album can pretty much be cured by turning up the bass disproportionately and listening to it loud
BOLA actually sounds really muddy at times, feels like it's all over the place. it's not as easy as just 'turning it up' ... Ashes in the Fall is a clear exception, however, and one of the finest tracks they've ever made
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VinylGuy wrote:
E.H. Ruddock wrote:
I'll argue all day about which is number one, but there is no argument that Renegades is always number 4
I never even think bout Renegades when i talk about RATM.
me too, it's just not a rage album in my head and i tend to associate it with some last second breakup consolation prize
morello's guitar work is pretty bland in most tracks on that album, like a caricature of a morello rage album... Street Walking Man being probably the most interesting
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
Guerilla Radio might be the most overrated RATM song.
its got radio single structure - pretty formulaic - i'm used to it at this point but the solo actually just sounds terrible on the album (kazoo harmonica) but live the effect he uses there is waay more ballsy
they often F up the intro live though... like there is too much re-feed and they get lost in the timing
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I really don’t get the praise for their rhythm section. They’re the Van Halen of the 90s - exceptional singer and guitarist plus a couple of perfectly fine guys on bass and drums.
I really don’t get the praise for their rhythm section. They’re the Van Halen of the 90s - exceptional singer and guitarist plus a couple of perfectly fine guys on bass and drums.
Wilk and Tm C are the main reason why i listen to Rage.
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bart wrote:
I really don’t get the praise for their rhythm section. They’re the Van Halen of the 90s - exceptional singer and guitarist plus a couple of perfectly fine guys on bass and drums.
If you’re looking for Dick-measuring levels of technical proficiency, then maybe I guess? But for feel/vibe, I’m not sure there’s a better rock rhythm section in the last 30 years.
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tragabigzanda wrote:
bart wrote:
I really don’t get the praise for their rhythm section. They’re the Van Halen of the 90s - exceptional singer and guitarist plus a couple of perfectly fine guys on bass and drums.
If you’re looking for Dick-measuring levels of technical proficiency, then maybe I guess? But for feel/vibe, I’m not sure there’s a better rock rhythm section in the last 30 years.
Hell yeah, man. They fucking groove.
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VinylGuy wrote:
bart wrote:
I really don’t get the praise for their rhythm section. They’re the Van Halen of the 90s - exceptional singer and guitarist plus a couple of perfectly fine guys on bass and drums.
Wilk and Tm C are the main reason why i listen to Rage.
Wilk is extremely basic. Which is why I feel I can emulate him. Not a knock, it works fine. He provides exactly what the songs need.
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Bammer wrote:
VinylGuy wrote:
bart wrote:
I really don’t get the praise for their rhythm section. They’re the Van Halen of the 90s - exceptional singer and guitarist plus a couple of perfectly fine guys on bass and drums.
Wilk and Tm C are the main reason why i listen to Rage.
Wilk is extremely basic. Which is why I feel I can emulate him. Not a knock, it works fine. He provides exactly what the songs need.
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forgot about Street Fighting Man.
Top 10 RATM
Wake Up Sleep Now in the Fire Ashes in the Fall Killing in the Name Renegades of Funk Testify Bulls on Parade No Shelter Street Fighting Man Know Your Enemy
probably. might be some things on Renegades or EE ahead of those bottom 2[/quote]
How do you rank the RATM and Audioslave records? In my mind, RATM is a poor man's Audioslave. Audioslave took all that was infantile and simplistic about RATM and crafted it into something beautiful.
My rankings:
Audioslave self titled Revelations Out Of Exile Renegades Battle of LA RATM self titled Evil Empire [distant last]
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Not a knock on Chris. Soundgarden's top albums and even Euphoria Morning and Temple Of The Dog would be right up there if we included his career. Superunknown on top.
I am not the hugest RATM fan, though in large part because it’s just been so long and I sort of moved on. To rank these together I would place them over Audioslave because 1) I just didn’t listen to Audioslave maybe enough times, 2) RATM’s sound just seemed to work better with Zach De La Rocha than with Chris Cornell:
1) Rage Against the Machine 2) Battle of Los Angeles 3) Evil Empire 4) Audioslave 5) Renegades 6) Out of Exile 7) Revelations
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