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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
PostPosted: Thu August 16, 2018 1:26 am 
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Nice job, Cuomo.

shocking for him to say such things

doesn't he know we live in a hyper-PC world now?

in unrelated news,

the President just called a black woman a 'dog'

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
PostPosted: Wed August 22, 2018 11:02 pm 
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4/5 wrote:
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Finally someone calls out Bernie for being a right wing nut job who doesn’t understand young people and socialism:

https://newrepublic.com/article/149378/bernie-sanders-not-left


Open borders plus a generous welfare state... this Democratic Socialism thing is going to be lit.

It’s pretty hard to overstate how much conservatives inadvertently worked to set the stage for this to occur.

I was just reading a paper on people’s perceptions of the word “socialism” over time. By weaponizing the word in response to every single democratic proposal, especially ones that later became incredibly popular like the ACA, they’ve effectively desensitized people to it. Young people have basically no negative response to the word at all, and even middle-age unaffiliated voters consistently misunderstand what it is and have increasingly neutral opinions of it. Socialism is now just seen as a meaningless political attack word.

From a couple pages back, but I think there's a lot of truth in this post and McP's subsequent post. At least it appears that way to me anecdotally.

As a result of party polarization/tribalism/whatever, it seems like more and more people view everything political as a single binary choice and as a result conflate the differences and relationships between those two positions. This leads to assumptions that are not only oversimplified, but down right inaccurate. I think many of us have, out of convenience developed an inaccurate use of a transitive property for political ideology. For example, if conservative = pro-military and conservative = blue lives matter and conservative = capitalism, then capitalism = pro-military and capitalism = blue lives matter = pro-life, etc. Of course this is totally inaccurate, but I think that a lot of people think this way.

This works the other way as well, of course. If FoxNews says that socialism = everything Obama or any Democrat does, and Democrats = anti-police brutality and pro-choice and tolerance, well then socialism = anti-police brutality and pro-choice and tolerance. And helping the poor, etc.

It's easy to see where young progressives would take the term and and assume positive meaning into it.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
PostPosted: Fri August 24, 2018 5:23 pm 
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McParadigm wrote:
4/5 wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Finally someone calls out Bernie for being a right wing nut job who doesn’t understand young people and socialism:

https://newrepublic.com/article/149378/bernie-sanders-not-left


Open borders plus a generous welfare state... this Democratic Socialism thing is going to be lit.

It’s pretty hard to overstate how much conservatives inadvertently worked to set the stage for this to occur.

I was just reading a paper on people’s perceptions of the word “socialism” over time. By weaponizing the word in response to every single democratic proposal, especially ones that later became incredibly popular like the ACA, they’ve effectively desensitized people to it. Young people have basically no negative response to the word at all, and even middle-age unaffiliated voters consistently misunderstand what it is and have increasingly neutral opinions of it. Socialism is now just seen as a meaningless political attack word.

From a couple pages back, but I think there's a lot of truth in this post and McP's subsequent post. At least it appears that way to me anecdotally.

As a result of party polarization/tribalism/whatever, it seems like more and more people view everything political as a single binary choice and as a result conflate the differences and relationships between those two positions. This leads to assumptions that are not only oversimplified, but down right inaccurate. I think many of us have, out of convenience developed an inaccurate use of a transitive property for political ideology. For example, if conservative = pro-military and conservative = blue lives matter and conservative = capitalism, then capitalism = pro-military and capitalism = blue lives matter = pro-life, etc. Of course this is totally inaccurate, but I think that a lot of people think this way.

This works the other way as well, of course. If FoxNews says that socialism = everything Obama or any Democrat does, and Democrats = anti-police brutality and pro-choice and tolerance, well then socialism = anti-police brutality and pro-choice and tolerance. And helping the poor, etc.

It's easy to see where young progressives would take the term and and assume positive meaning into it.

The beat goes on where the hand has been

I read this as saying that 54% of people under 30 don't know what socialism and capitalism are.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/404151-desantis-florida-voters-shouldnt-monkey-this-up-by-voting-for

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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Good God man that took less than 12 hours.

I was coming into this thread to complain about Florida's choices being a Trumpite and a Bernie Bro but good grief. :shake:

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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4/5 wrote:
Good God man that took less than 12 hours.

I was coming into this thread to complain about Florida's choices being a Trumpite and a Bernie Bro but good grief. :shake:

as much as i'm generally at odds with the far left, the jump in voter turnout for the so-called Bernie Bro in FL is pretty riveting stuff.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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4/5 wrote:
Good God man that took less than 12 hours.

I was coming into this thread to complain about Florida's choices being a Trumpite and a Bernie Bro but good grief. :shake:

You and me both.

Your opponent is another in a long, tired line of unhinged leftists drawing from what unfortunately appears to be the inexhaustible well of Bad Ideas? Eh, just call him a monkey and make the race about identity instead.

The right is just so dumb, and so completely devoid of anyone with ideological scruples.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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tragabigzanda wrote:
4/5 wrote:
Good God man that took less than 12 hours.

I was coming into this thread to complain about Florida's choices being a Trumpite and a Bernie Bro but good grief. :shake:

as much as i'm generally at odds with the far left, the jump in voter turnout for the so-called Bernie Bro in FL is pretty riveting stuff.

Idk. He's way too far to the left to get elected in a statewide election here by basically any means except his opponent maybe saying something like voting for him would monkey things up. Maybe this DiSantis moron keeps doing this kind of thing and gives him the election, but I feel like Democrats massively screwed up picking Gillum in a year where they actually could have a legitimate chance to win for literally the first time in a couple decades.

Gillum benefited from an overly crowded field, he only won 34% of the vote (500,000 out of about 1.5 million), and fewer people voted in the Democratic primary than the Republican primary. Either way, I'm with you that it's pretty surprising that he won, but I'm very unsure if this indicates any real increase in enthusiasm for far left politicians in Florida.

For reference, in 2016 Bernie won 33% of the vote (568,000 out of 1.7 million votes). So Gillum did slightly better than Bernie, but it could be that Gillum won basically the Bernie crowd again, and this time the establishment wing votes were divided by three other candidates instead of going overwhelming to Hillary like in 2016.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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Good God man that took less than 12 hours.

I was coming into this thread to complain about Florida's choices being a Trumpite and a Bernie Bro but good grief. :shake:

You and me both.

Your opponent is another in a long, tired line of unhinged leftists drawing from what unfortunately appears to be the inexhaustible well of Bad Ideas? Eh, just call him a monkey and make the race about identity instead.

The right is just so dumb, and so completely devoid of anyone with ideological scruples.

It won't be long until free market types pine for the days of Bushes and Obamas with their run of the mill crony capitalism and foolish, but ultimately not overly destructive, economic policies as opposed to right and left wing populists who seem poised to grab further control.

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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4/5 wrote:
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Good God man that took less than 12 hours.

I was coming into this thread to complain about Florida's choices being a Trumpite and a Bernie Bro but good grief. :shake:

as much as i'm generally at odds with the far left, the jump in voter turnout for the so-called Bernie Bro in FL is pretty riveting stuff.

Idk. He's way too far to the left to get elected in a statewide election here by basically any means except his opponent maybe saying something like voting for him would monkey things up. Maybe this DiSantis moron keeps doing this kind of thing and gives him the election, but I feel like Democrats massively screwed up picking Gillum in a year where they actually could have a legitimate chance to win for literally the first time in a couple decades.

Gillum benefited from an overly crowded field, he only won 34% of the vote (500,000 out of about 1.5 million), and fewer people voted in the Democratic primary than the Republican primary. Either way, I'm with you that it's pretty surprising that he won, but I'm very unsure if this indicates any real increase in enthusiasm for far left politicians in Florida.

For reference, in 2016 Bernie won 33% of the vote (568,000 out of 1.7 million votes). So Gillum did slightly better than Bernie, but it could be that Gillum won basically the Bernie crowd again, and this time the establishment wing votes were divided by three other candidates instead of going overwhelming to Hillary like in 2016.


Oh you're probably right about all this, I have no idea how politics really shake out in FL other than "Red and dumb." But the jump in primary votes is huge, something like +400K since last time for the dems? So if the wacky liberal is getting those people to the polls, that's a good start for a state that has always seemed to be politically off its rocker. But you're probably right that a more moderate candidate would have a better chance in the general.


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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Maybe not a coincidence, but the numbers are still lower than the republicans.

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Maybe not a coincidence, but the numbers are still lower than the republicans.

What's the Red vs Blue turnout yesterday?


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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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Republican: 5,997 of 5,997 (100%) precincts reporting, 1,623,442 total votes
Democratic: 5,997 of 5,997 (100%) precincts reporting, 1,514,774 total votes

https://www.vox.com/a/primary-election- ... ry-results

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 Post subject: Re: 2018 Midterms
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yeah that's a big difference. thanks for posting.


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bune wrote:
Republican: 5,997 of 5,997 (100%) precincts reporting, 1,623,442 total votes
Democratic: 5,997 of 5,997 (100%) precincts reporting, 1,514,774 total votes

https://www.vox.com/a/primary-election- ... ry-results

Primary turnout is a terrible yardstick for predicting elections (the party with the higher primary turnout actually loses the election almost literally half the time) and independent voters are leaning +8 D in Florida right now, which is similar to the numbers that handed Doug Jones his victory. I still think Florida is a hard win for Democrats, but those primary numbers are actually a pretty good sign.

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