Followup question GH: Do you think there's any sort of "sleeper cell" hate groups in or around Boise? People who were raised in the Hayden Lake doctrine and have been left without a leader? Do they just sort of grumble and tolerate the influx of refugees into Boise, or do you have any sense of a more vocal opposition?

I'm really interested in the Chobani facility in Twin Falls, ID. Obviously this is much further south, but with such a huge portion of their employees being immigrants and refugees, I feel like there must be some sort of dust-up brewing...

Nothing on the scale of Hayden Lake, though you can never discount smaller closet hate groups in any part of the nation. I actually feel that Boise has been lucky enough so far to avoid most of this.

As long as the coming race war doesn't bring damage to Guru Donuts, then Boise will always be a place worth visiting.

Being from very rural Mississippi, I know a lot of racists around, but there isn't any organization or movement to it (in contrast to some shitty John Grisham movie or something that makes it sound like there is a klansman around every corner.) I've seen one klan group in my entire life, when I was like 5, and I don't think they were from around there.

I gather it's different in the west, but I haven't seen anything like that in western Oregon and Washington, so I can't speak to that. I see the occasional confederate flag (ah, my people! I'm getting homesick...), but that's about it.

I'm super interested about the Oregon hate groups. The guys who lived across the street from me when I lived in SE Portland were definitely skin heads, and they were always blasting punk music. In retrospect, I'm wondering if they were affiliated with Volksfront or maybe Hammerskin (a white supremacy punk rock label).

PDX has a long and nasty history of racism and segregation. Some of the city parks still have statues or plaques that indicate "whites only." And it's one of those cities with a million different sub-neighborhoods and subcultures; who knows what goes on beyond Powell and 81st, amirite? And then there's this story:

http://www.portlandmercury.com/blogtown ... in-gresham

This wiki article on European Kindred makes it sound like the Nazis are fighting the Mafia:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Kindred

I'm sure the existing residents of Birmingham and Brussels are thankful for this influx of exciting new ideas:



Sorry, I couldn't resist the flippant response (though it's not entirely off-base). I'm at work now, will hopefully have more time to respond later.

I'm more worried about our enlightened tolerant left at the moment.

http://www.kgw.com/news/politics/may-da ... /435436532

Lumping the anarchists in with the left is about as fair as lumping the racists in with the GOP. Do with that what you will.

Well they are leftists to be sure, though I wouldn't lump them in with democrats or even liberals. Or at least, I try to avoid it.

Yes, you are right. I often get lazy and lump the liberals in with the left, but I know they're not the same thing.

I hope the anarchists kill off every conservative politician

Can we keep John McCain? He could be, like, the rational grandad who reminds us where we came from.

Then rest easy, conservative politicians will be included with all the other innocent deaths they cause in the process.

No

Good. Bring on the death.

preaching to the choir

Find your local hate group!

https://www.splcenter.org/hate-map

Being from the Boston suburbs, this sort of thing really wasn't an issue in my community growing up--I did go to a very white school where we had no black students until I was in 5th or 6th grade, but the community at large was pretty diverse. As many have sort of indicated, the only real racism I saw was the "soft, old-person kind" where people used to bemoan, "The neighborhood used to look different, you know what I mean?" But my family had a summer home in a small town in New Hampshire where we'd go every summer, and that town was 99% white--probably 100% white when my parents bought a cottage there in the mid-'80s. When I was 15 or so and working at a local camp, my mother asked if I'd walk home with one of my co-workers and her little brother--their house was on the way, and I walked home every day, so it wouldn't be a real big deal, right?

I don't remember if it was later that summer or after the summer was over, but I eventually found out that my co-worker's parents had asked my boss to see if any white staff member would walk home with them--they were black--and my boss contacted my mom to set it up. The reason? They were the first black family to move into the town maybe ever (or at least as long as anyone could remember), and the KKK started putting up fliers and actually held a rally at the post office to vaguely declare that the town "wouldn't be taken over" and that they would "do anything necessary" to keep it the way it was (I did some searching online and found this article from the Boston Phoenix that references when it was all getting rolling). Once I found out what was going down, I started to piece together why people would speed up in cars while passing us, and I think there may have been a few shouts out of windows as well. But while it was all going on, I had no idea. The family moved that year, I think, and things quieted down quickly. They still have the house up there and there hasn't been a peep since.

Looking at the date in that article, I guess I was 14, not 15 that summer. Which means my mother put me between this family and the Klan when I was fourteen years old. Thanks, Mom.

I don't see Red Mosquito listed.


"Aggressive Christianity" was one. hahah.