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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
PostPosted: Sat August 19, 2017 2:03 am 
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Interesting take:

https://apnews.com/10025226f5e54d96bda23524225b6897/Dems-risk-culture-war-fight-in-Charlottesville-response

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ATLANTA (AP) — President Donald Trump’s widely criticized response to white supremacist violence in Virginia has left Democrats in a quandary: how to seize the moral high ground without getting sucked into a politically perilous culture war.

Democrats have denounced Trump for blaming “both sides” for deadly protests in Charlottesville, Virginia, and, more recently, for defending Confederate monuments.

But the party faces a complex task: While addressing race and history in ways that reflect the party’s values, Democrats risk getting sidetracked from issues like jobs and the economy that resonate with voters ahead of the 2018 midterm election.

The party has been looking to answer Trump’s populism by crafting its own middle-class brand, yet Democratic leaders across multiple states now are pushing to take down Old South monuments like the one that ostensibly sparked the events in Charlottesville, and a trio of rank-and-file House Democrats wants to pursue a congressional censure of the president.

In interviews this week before his resignation was announced Friday, White House strategist Steve Bannon gleefully suggested Democrats are falling into a trap.

“I want them to talk about racism every day,” Bannon told The American Prospect, a liberal magazine. “If the left is focused on race and identity, and we go with economic nationalism, we can crush the Democrats.”

Trump himself has called Confederate memorials, most of them actually erected decades after the Civil War, “beautiful statues” that reflect “our nation’s history and culture.”

Polls taken after last weekend’s violence offer some evidence backing Bannon’s and Trump’s view. While polls found widespread disgust with white supremacists, a Marist Poll for NPR and PBS found that just 27 percent of adults queried believe Confederate monuments “should be removed because they are offensive.” About two out of three white and Latino respondents said they should remain, as did 44 percent of black respondents.

Andrew Young, a Democrat, civil rights leader and former U.N. ambassador, warned this week that the monuments are “a distraction.” He told reporters in Atlanta it is “too costly to refight the Civil War.”

Boyd Brown of South Carolina, a former state lawmaker and onetime member of the Democratic National Committee, says Democrats are right to oppose Confederate monuments and criticize Trump’s remarks. “He tweets something crazy, we react — and we’re not wrong,” Brown said. But “we have to talk about a lack of jobs and education in poor districts, voter suppression laws. Ask why Medicaid funding is always the target. And then explain how all those things hurt more than just African-Americans.”

Trump upset Democrat Hillary Clinton on the strength of his support from white voters, particularly working-class whites who possessed a combination of economic frustration and racial resentments salved by Trump’s promises of immigration controls, law-and-order and a booming economy.

Clinton, meanwhile, concentrated so much on Trump’s deficiencies and outlandish statements that her own policy proposals received less attention. That’s a problem that has beset Trump rivals since he first declared his candidacy: All the attention focused on Trump — even unflattering stories — prevent them from getting out their own messages.

Brian Fallon, who was spokesman for Clinton’s campaign, said Democrats shouldn’t let that happen after Charlottesville.

“As horrifying as what the president has said is, you have to have an affirmative agenda,” he said.

Still, Fallon praised Democratic efforts to keep Trump and Republicans on the defensive over the president’s response — even if it doesn’t help them politically.

“Sometimes it’s important to take a stand regardless of the electoral impacts,” he said, noting that Clinton delivered a speech last year warning of white nationalists’ rise alongside Trump’s campaign.

Democrats have tried various tactics to press the Charlottesville issue. Besides the push to censure Trump and remove monuments, they are planning voter organization drives across the United States.

Andrew Gillum, the mayor of Tallahassee, Florida, and candidate for governor, is among the Democrats calling for monuments to be moved to museums or cemeteries.

Gillum, who is black, says Democrats must argue “these monuments have been weaponized. We can’t pretend that didn’t happen.”

The issue is reminiscent of South Carolina’s decision to remove the Confederate battle flag from statehouse grounds in 2015 after a white gunman killed nine people at a historic black church in Charleston. Then-Gov. Nikki Haley, a Republican who is now Trump’s United Nations ambassador, declared the flag untenably divisive after the wide distribution of photos showing the killer clutching it.

“She was focused on leading the state through a grieving process so it could begin healing,” recalls Rob Godfrey, one of her top aides at the time.

But Godfrey notes Haley never considered jettisoning other Old South relics.

“That was going to drive people apart,” Godfrey says.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
PostPosted: Sat August 19, 2017 2:14 am 
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That's an interesting take that the Confederate Flag took on a new meaning after the shooting in 2015.

Surely after the last weekend the statues have taken on a new divisive meaning too.

This situation needs strong and level leadership. Ah well.


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
PostPosted: Sat August 19, 2017 2:25 am 
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can we just have another civil war only this time when the north wins we burn all southern symbols to ash, slaughter all males, and sow salt in their soil?

that seems like a more practical solution at this point for fixing what i am seeing on my apps that i dont like to see on my apps

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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Great episode of OnPoint this week:

What's Going On With White Supremacy?
http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2017/08/17/ ... -supremacy


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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Fox News is watching the Boston crowds grow, and animatedly complaining about paid liberal protestors who clearly aren't from the area and are hired to push "someone's" agenda.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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The "paid protestor" con might be the most problematic of all Fox News BS, because it takes the clearest visual evidence that hey, maybe somebody else really does honestly disagree with you, and turns it into yet another insular worldview event.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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McParadigm wrote:
Fox News is watching the Boston crowds grow, and animatedly complaining about paid liberal protestors who clearly aren't from the area and are hired to push "someone's" agenda.

that's fucking rich.


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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Local coverage is talking about how this has been largely successful for both police and demonstrators, with only a few minor incidents and arrests.


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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now I'm just confused


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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"on many sides"


There is a line between white supremacists and free speech advocates and there is a line between anti-racist protestors and these Antifa psychos. Would be nice if the press would, for once, even attempt to show the gray area in these movements.

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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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how the fuck can anyone support this shit? It's so fucking evil.


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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Now google news is posting southern povery law council posts.

If "fake news" was ever an accurate moniker...

Former muslims are racist for taking issue with Islamic tenants and cultural practices?


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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Regarding statues if was just about history and heritage shouldn't there be more Union general statues in the south?


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Biff Pocoroba wrote:
Regarding statues if was just about history and heritage shouldn't there be more Union general statues in the south?


Maybe more statues of Sherman being tormented in hell or something like that.


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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Good episode of Fresh Air (Dave Davies was filling in for Terry Gross):

Armed Militias Face Off With The 'Antifa' In The New Landscape Of Political Protest
http://www.npr.org/2017/08/23/545509627 ... cal-protes


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Can we talk about how awesome this guy is? He sued to put the Confederate Flag back at a South Carolina courthouse. For heritage!


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B wrote:
Can we talk about how awesome this guy is? He sued to put the Confederate Flag back at a South Carolina courthouse. For heritage!



I elect we go after Lincoln next. Guy couldn't even avoid getting shot, loser.


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I propose this:

Instead of taking down all the Confederate statues and getting rid of all the "heritage" flags, let's put a statue of a black man or woman right next to it. It's only fair.

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Former muslims are racist for taking issue with Islamic tenants and cultural practices?


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 Post subject: Re: Hate Groups: White Supremacists, Neo-Nazis, the Alt-Righ
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wease wrote:
I propose this:

Instead of taking down all the Confederate statues and getting rid of all the "heritage" flags, let's put a statue of a black man or woman right next to it. It's only fair.

This is as dumb as putting a Hitler statue at the Holocaust museum.


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