VG really didn't deserve the abuse he got in the last few pages.

But Ms. Harmless did?

Did I?

it's absolutely brilliant that someone who was trying to help, perceives someone else who is *actually* helping as "angry and violent"

you want to help but you don't want to learn anything, you simply want to be told that any crap you can pull out your ass is already helpful

VG didn't say anything offensive to anyone?

Maybe Ello did (I can't be bothered to go back and see what he said) but what did VG say that warranted your aggressive and rude response?

we're the angry tyrannical extremists! we are beyond the reach of kindness and empathy, lost causes

I'd say go back and read what transpired, but you've already said you can't be bothered.

he literally explained it

he literally explained it

HE LITERALLY EXPLAINED IT, AND SO DID I, MANY TIMES OVER

What a thread.

it doesn't matter WHAT I say about how to treat me with respect, OR how kindly or calmly I say it; there is ALWAYS, ALWAYS a counter-argument; ALWAYS multiple people telling me that it's too hard, and the problem is me

Could we have a better example of what organizing society based on your relative priviledge in the progressive stack results in?

thank fuck you're here to improve it

I went back for more context and I still think you guys were needlessly rude to VG.

in this case, what was needed was THIS fucking difficult

"eh, that comment was a bit ignorant, the problem doesn't just end if I do that, I'm just looking for some empathy"

"shit, you're right, sorry mate"

that's all, it was that easy

nobody cares

I'm certain that tree cares. Maybe Lenny too.

"You're angry and violent and should seek help."

Rude or no?

"He was trying to help, you need to calm down."

Rude or no?

First one, maybe bordering on rude - if you're looking for it, second one - no way

Both sure seem like textbook victimization bullshit to me.

Don't do it, Rangi. Save yourself!

I'm standing up for a friend and for something I believe in. That isn't anger. regardless of how it makes Viny Guy feel. I'm not violent. Vinyl Guy isn't a therapist. How is it not completely out of line for him to take his own missteps and aggressions and project them on to me? There is no case where that isn't rude. You don't have to look for it.

Telling another person, especially someone who is marginalized by society for just being themselves, that they are wrong, that they need to calm down, rather than listen to the very clear and rational explanation they provided for the attacks against them; arguing in favor of the aggressor and ignoring the victim is beyond rude. "No way"? You're out of your mind. There's "no way" to perceive it otherwise. It's rude. It's aggressive. It's shitty. And it was avoidable. As Ms Harmless already pointed out beautifully.