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Post subject: Re: Anti-Trump fascists attack in Berkeley
Posted: Tue March 07, 2017 2:51 am
An enigma of a man shaped hole in the wall between reality and the soul of the devil.
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
The venue wanted him there.
Until the students said they didn't. And I'd consider the student body to be a part of the overall institution, or the venue.
The lunatics shouldn't run the asylum.
Now who's the authoritarian?
Yeah because I think dumbass students shouldn't have a say in who the school allows to talk, that makes me an authoritarian. They can protest peacefully outside if they want.
They are STUDENTS.
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Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
The venue wanted him there.
Until the students said they didn't. And I'd consider the student body to be a part of the overall institution, or the venue.
The lunatics shouldn't run the asylum.
Now who's the authoritarian?
Yeah because I think dumbass students shouldn't have a say in who the school allows to talk, that makes me an authoritarian. They can protest peacefully outside if they want.
They are STUDENTS.
They're also adults. This is a college, not a middle school.
Post subject: Re: Anti-Trump fascists attack in Berkeley
Posted: Tue March 07, 2017 2:52 am
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cutuphalfdead wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Oh, a meme. My bad.
Keep ignoring reality, it's really helping your cause.
Just because one douche burnt a sign doesn't mean I think Berkeley should have let a bigot incite a crowd with his rhetoric and put undocumented immigrants in their community in very real physical danger.
So your imagined physical danger of illegal immigrants is more important to you that the real physical attacks that these deranged antifa assholes did to elderly people, women, and others? Brilliant.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Then you aren't paying attention, and you haven't followed the story. Two words: pepper spray.
Whatever the protesters did doesn't change my point.
Nor does it change mine. You'd rather protect illegal immigrants from imaginary danger than protect American citizens from actual, active violence. Because xenophobia!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep ignoring reality, it's really helping your cause.
Just because one douche burnt a sign doesn't mean I think Berkeley should have let a bigot incite a crowd with his rhetoric and put undocumented immigrants in their community in very real physical danger.
So your imagined physical danger of illegal immigrants is more important to you that the real physical attacks that these deranged antifa assholes did to elderly people, women, and others? Brilliant.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Then you aren't paying attention, and you haven't followed the story. Two words: pepper spray.
Whatever the protesters did doesn't change my point.
Nor does it change mine. You'd rather protect illegal immigrants from imaginary danger than protect American citizens from actual, active violence. Because xenophobia!!!!!!!!!!!
What danger don't I want to protect American from now?
You're right, they should have just let him out those undocumented students after whipping the crowd up into an anti-immigrant fervor. It would have been safer that way.
It's not anti immigration, it's anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Why is this so hard for you goons to understand?
Yes, xenophobic assholes are always very careful to make this distinction.
Don't be retarded. I fully support legal immigrants, and I've literally never met anyone that doesn't. Illegal immigration hurts everyone, but it especially hurts the poor. Why do you hate the poor?
You're right, they should have just let him out those undocumented students after whipping the crowd up into an anti-immigrant fervor. It would have been safer that way.
It's not anti immigration, it's anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Why is this so hard for you goons to understand?
Yes, xenophobic assholes are always very careful to make this distinction.
Don't be retarded. I fully support legal immigrants, and I've literally never met anyone that doesn't. Illegal immigration hurts everyone, but it especially hurts the poor. Why do you hate the poor?
Post subject: Re: Anti-Trump fascists attack in Berkeley
Posted: Tue March 07, 2017 2:56 am
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Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 1:10 am Posts: 2452
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
This happens often...people confuse "freedom of speech" with "freedom from any and all consequences or ramifications of speech." It's the same thing when someone's show gets cancelled because of boycotts and protests. If a business (or a school) decides the protests make the person not worth the trouble, their speech isn't inhibited if that show gets cancelled.
Post subject: Re: Anti-Trump fascists attack in Berkeley
Posted: Tue March 07, 2017 2:56 am
An enigma of a man shaped hole in the wall between reality and the soul of the devil.
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 5:13 pm Posts: 35592 Location: Donkeys live a long time.
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
The venue wanted him there.
Until the students said they didn't. And I'd consider the student body to be a part of the overall institution, or the venue.
The lunatics shouldn't run the asylum.
Now who's the authoritarian?
Yeah because I think dumbass students shouldn't have a say in who the school allows to talk, that makes me an authoritarian. They can protest peacefully outside if they want.
They are STUDENTS.
They're also adults. This is a college, not a middle school.
So? It's moronic to allow students much say in what they are allowed to hear at a school.
That's how this ignorant safe space bullshit started in the first place.
_________________ “The world is going insane!” they shout at an unhearing screen.
Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
This happens often...people confuse "freedom of speech" with "freedom from any and all consequences or ramifications of speech." It's the same thing when someone's show gets cancelled because of boycotts and protests. If a business (or a school) decides the protests make the person not worth the trouble, their speech isn't inhibited if that show gets cancelled.
Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
The venue wanted him there.
Until the students said they didn't. And I'd consider the student body to be a part of the overall institution, or the venue.
The lunatics shouldn't run the asylum.
Now who's the authoritarian?
Yeah because I think dumbass students shouldn't have a say in who the school allows to talk, that makes me an authoritarian. They can protest peacefully outside if they want.
They are STUDENTS.
They're also adults. This is a college, not a middle school.
So? It's moronic to allow students much say in what they are allowed to hear at a school.
That's how this ignorant safe space bullshit started in the first place.
Or it can be a judgment call. Maybe the school can listen to them, and then decide?
Post subject: Re: Anti-Trump fascists attack in Berkeley
Posted: Tue March 07, 2017 2:57 am
An enigma of a man shaped hole in the wall between reality and the soul of the devil.
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 5:13 pm Posts: 35592 Location: Donkeys live a long time.
digster wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
This happens often...people confuse "freedom of speech" with "freedom from any and all consequences or ramifications of speech." It's the same thing when someone's show gets cancelled because of boycotts and protests. If a business (or a school) decides the protests make the person not worth the trouble, their speech isn't inhibited if that show gets cancelled.
Except no one here is confusing those things.
_________________ “The world is going insane!” they shout at an unhearing screen.
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Post subject: Re: Anti-Trump fascists attack in Berkeley
Posted: Tue March 07, 2017 2:58 am
An enigma of a man shaped hole in the wall between reality and the soul of the devil.
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 5:13 pm Posts: 35592 Location: Donkeys live a long time.
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
The venue wanted him there.
Until the students said they didn't. And I'd consider the student body to be a part of the overall institution, or the venue.
The lunatics shouldn't run the asylum.
Now who's the authoritarian?
Yeah because I think dumbass students shouldn't have a say in who the school allows to talk, that makes me an authoritarian. They can protest peacefully outside if they want.
They are STUDENTS.
They're also adults. This is a college, not a middle school.
So? It's moronic to allow students much say in what they are allowed to hear at a school.
That's how this ignorant safe space bullshit started in the first place.
Or it can be a judgment call. Maybe the school can listen to them, and then decide?
I'm sure they did listen. It's fucking Berkeley. Then they had the audacity to act like adults and allow free speech to occur at their university.
_________________ “The world is going insane!” they shout at an unhearing screen.
Post subject: Re: Anti-Trump fascists attack in Berkeley
Posted: Tue March 07, 2017 2:58 am
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Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 2:02 am Posts: 14830 Location: Dat Azz
Strat wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
LoathedVermin72 wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
You're right, they should have just let him out those undocumented students after whipping the crowd up into an anti-immigrant fervor. It would have been safer that way.
It's not anti immigration, it's anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Why is this so hard for you goons to understand?
Yes, xenophobic assholes are always very careful to make this distinction.
Don't be retarded. I fully support legal immigrants, and I've literally never met anyone that doesn't. Illegal immigration hurts everyone, but it especially hurts the poor. Why do you hate the poor?
Post subject: Re: Anti-Trump fascists attack in Berkeley
Posted: Tue March 07, 2017 2:58 am
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Joined: Thu January 03, 2013 3:45 pm Posts: 3916
cutuphalfdead wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
PHATJ wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Oh, a meme. My bad.
Keep ignoring reality, it's really helping your cause.
Just because one douche burnt a sign doesn't mean I think Berkeley should have let a bigot incite a crowd with his rhetoric and put undocumented immigrants in their community in very real physical danger.
So your imagined physical danger of illegal immigrants is more important to you that the real physical attacks that these deranged antifa assholes did to elderly people, women, and others? Brilliant.
I don't know what you're talking about.
Then you aren't paying attention, and you haven't followed the story. Two words: pepper spray.
Whatever the protesters did doesn't change my point.
Nor does it change mine. You'd rather protect illegal immigrants from imaginary danger than protect American citizens from actual, active violence. Because xenophobia!!!!!!!!!!!
What danger don't I want to protect American from now?
It's one or the other, chud. You can want to protect illegal immigrants from speakers trying to incite violence against them or you can condemn people who are committing violence. You can't do both.
Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
This happens often...people confuse "freedom of speech" with "freedom from any and all consequences or ramifications of speech." It's the same thing when someone's show gets cancelled because of boycotts and protests. If a business (or a school) decides the protests make the person not worth the trouble, their speech isn't inhibited if that show gets cancelled.
Except no one here is confusing those things here.
This kind of seems like what you are doing? confusing this?
Both sides have the right to free speech. Both sides exercised that right. 1 side "won" out because the college institution listened to its "constituents" who pay their fucking bills.
You're right, they should have just let him out those undocumented students after whipping the crowd up into an anti-immigrant fervor. It would have been safer that way.
It's not anti immigration, it's anti ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION. Why is this so hard for you goons to understand?
Yes, xenophobic assholes are always very careful to make this distinction.
Don't be retarded. I fully support legal immigrants, and I've literally never met anyone that doesn't. Illegal immigration hurts everyone, but it especially hurts the poor. Why do you hate the poor?
Illegal immigration does not hurt me. Not 1 bit.
Check your privilege.
Illegal immigrants help run my fucking town, keep me in business, and keep the rich people happy on their 5th vacation home.
Post subject: Re: Anti-Trump fascists attack in Berkeley
Posted: Tue March 07, 2017 3:00 am
An enigma of a man shaped hole in the wall between reality and the soul of the devil.
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 5:13 pm Posts: 35592 Location: Donkeys live a long time.
Strat wrote:
BurtReynolds wrote:
digster wrote:
cutuphalfdead wrote:
Freedom of speech isn't freedom of platform. Milo can say what he wants, but if it's my venue I can tell him to go home.
This happens often...people confuse "freedom of speech" with "freedom from any and all consequences or ramifications of speech." It's the same thing when someone's show gets cancelled because of boycotts and protests. If a business (or a school) decides the protests make the person not worth the trouble, their speech isn't inhibited if that show gets cancelled.
Except no one here is confusing those things here.
This kind of seems like what you are doing? confusing this?
Both sides have the right to free speech. Both sides exercised that right. 1 side "won" out because the college institution listened to its "constituents" who pay their fucking bills.
Violence is not a form of free speech.
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