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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
PostPosted: Tue December 26, 2017 1:03 am 
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Foxconn Subsidy Now Exceeds $4 Billion

When the state deal with Taiwanese company Foxconn was first announced, the numbers were bold and clear: the company would get $3 billion in subsidies from the state and in turn would build a $10 billion plant and create 13,000 jobs.

That stood not just as the largest subsidy in state history, but the largest government subsidy to a foreign company in American history.

But the giveaway has continued to grow, while Foxconn’s required investment has shrunk. After legislation was passed approving the deal without determining the specifics, the Wisconsin Economic Development Agency hammered out the details that dropped Foxconn’s required investment in its new plant to just $9 billion. The Journal Sentinel has reported this, yet its stories keep referring to the $10 billion plant.

Meanwhile the Village of Mount Pleasant and Racine County agreed to give Foxconn $764 million in tax incentives. The measure also commits the state to paying 40 percent of local governments’ expenses for the plant “if ever called upon to do so.”

Foxconn has also been exempted from environmental regulations, and some experts believe this will cause pollution that might eventually require remediation paid for by taxpayers. And Foxconn’s newest demand is for its plant to be treated as a foreign trade zone, which could reduce its customs duties and cut the company’s costs. Odds are, it’s not the last demand the company will make.

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My uncle actually told us yesterday that each and every one of us should say thank you to President Trump for allowing us to say Merry Christmas again. My response: “who told you to stop saying it?” After him stammering around trying to think of an answer, I walked away.


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That sounds made up, Wease

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theplatypus wrote:
That sounds made up, Wease

he left out the part about his uncle jacking his jaw

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That sounds made up, Wease

Christ, I wish it was.


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so trump blames sessions for moore losing to jones because sessions left the seat to take the job that trump offered

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so trump blames sessions for moore losing to jones because sessions left the seat to take the job that trump offered

If Obama had chosen Sebelius for HHS, backed a child molestor as her successor, and then blamed her and absolved himself when Brownback won Kansas because Sebelius had the audacity to accept the HHS offer, it would have crippled his presidency. Now, it feels so cruelly normal that we probably won't remember it in two weeks.

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I'm so confused by this talk of partisans in the FBI. So it's only a bad thing if they disagree with you? How is this not the same impetus that gets you a dictator?

I truly don't understand why the news is being so complacent with their stories. I know there are people on twitter going batshit crazy putting these things together but until it's on the actual fucking news, or Good Morning America, or SOMETHING of substance (don't @ me) then what will happen except for things getting worse? It's not even a 'step up so you can be heard' kind of action because clearly no one wants to listen.

I'm so mad I'm probably not even making sense.

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I'm so confused by this talk of partisans in the FBI. So it's only a bad thing if they disagree with you? How is this not the same impetus that gets you a dictator?

It wasn't that long ago that it was Democrats complaining about the FBI, and Republicans praising their independence. If the rhetoric wasn't so much more pronounced, and the evidence of guilt so thoroughly visible, it wouldn't really worry me. But to use words like "purge" in response to an investigation on foreign interference that has already brought indictments is stunning. At this point Devin Nunez is a member of Congress who is actively trying to dismantle one of our intelligence services, and not one of his colleagues is willing to break ranks even to stand up to HIM. Why would anybody believe that these people will ever stand up to Trump?

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I truly don't understand why the news is being so complacent with their stories. I know there are people on twitter going batshit crazy putting these things together but until it's on the actual fucking news, or Good Morning America, or SOMETHING of substance (don't @ me) then what will happen except for things getting worse? It's not even a 'step up so you can be heard' kind of action because clearly no one wants to listen.

Its a profession whose habits were forged in quieter times, and which needs to shed skin fast. When Obama was president there was a disproportionate number of "check in with rural whites to see why they still don't like him," stories, and now there is a disproportionate number of "check in with rural whites to see why they still support Trump" stories. You would think that it's the only building group that matters.

Owner financial interest is also becoming a defining component. It's been pretty nakedly evident in the Wall Street Journal, on Sinclair Media, and on FOXNews. But now you have organizations like Tronc waging a sort of back room war against its own journalists, and companies in need testing the tit-for-tat waters. I saw that CNN "has Donald Trump ended the war on Christmas" headline, and just about barfed.

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I'm so confused by this talk of partisans in the FBI. So it's only a bad thing if they disagree with you? How is this not the same impetus that gets you a dictator?

It wasn't that long ago that it was Democrats complaining about the FBI, and Republicans praising their independence. If the rhetoric wasn't so much more pronounced, and the evidence of guilt so thoroughly visible, it wouldn't really worry me. But to use words like "purge" in response to an investigation on foreign interference that has already brought indictments is stunning. At this point Devin Nunez is a member of Congress who is actively trying to dismantle one of our intelligence services, and not one of his colleagues is willing to break ranks even to stand up to HIM. Why would anybody believe that these people will ever stand up to Trump?

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I truly don't understand why the news is being so complacent with their stories. I know there are people on twitter going batshit crazy putting these things together but until it's on the actual fucking news, or Good Morning America, or SOMETHING of substance (don't @ me) then what will happen except for things getting worse? It's not even a 'step up so you can be heard' kind of action because clearly no one wants to listen.

Its a profession whose habits were forged in quieter times, and which needs to shed skin fast. When Obama was president there was a disproportionate number of "check in with rural whites to see why they still don't like him," stories, and now there is a disproportionate number of "check in with rural whites to see why they still support Trump" stories. You would think that it's the only building group that matters.

Owner financial interest is also becoming a defining component. It's been pretty nakedly evident in the Wall Street Journal, on Sinclair Media, and on FOXNews. But now you have organizations like Tronc waging a sort of back room war against its own journalists, and companies in need testing the tit-for-tat waters. I saw that CNN "has Donald Trump ended the war on Christmas" headline, and just about barfed.

Maybe it's just the situation (and my partisan memory) but I don't think there were purges talked about previously.

And I saw those tweets this morning about the stories about supporters. It's weird how the rural whites are still listened to even though they are out-numbered by literally everyone else.

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President Trump's legal team plans to cast former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn as a liar seeking to protect himself if he accuses the president or his senior aides of any wrongdoing, according to three people familiar with the strategy.

The approach would mark a sharp break from Trump's previously sympathetic posture toward Flynn, whom he called a "wonderful man" when Flynn was ousted from the White House in February. Earlier this month, the president did not rule out a possible pardon for Flynn, who is cooperating with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.

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President Trump's legal team plans to cast former national security adviser Michael T. Flynn as a liar seeking to protect himself if he accuses the president or his senior aides of any wrongdoing, according to three people familiar with the strategy.

The approach would mark a sharp break from Trump's previously sympathetic posture toward Flynn, whom he called a "wonderful man" when Flynn was ousted from the White House in February. Earlier this month, the president did not rule out a possible pardon for Flynn, who is cooperating with special counsel Robert S. Mueller III's investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election.


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Attorneys for Trump and his top advisers have privately expressed confidence that Flynn does not have any evidence that could implicate the president or his White House team. But since Flynn’s cooperation agreement with prosecutors was made public earlier this month, the administration has been strategizing how to neutralize him in case the former national security adviser does make any claims.


We know Flynn is lying if he says he has anything on Trump so when he reveals his lies we're going to call him a liar! Wow brilliant strategy, these guys are clearly worth every penny Trump is paying them.


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ah yes, the ‘liar, liar, pants on fire’ defense

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This is really something.

https://nytimes.com/2017/12/27/opinion/ ... Ko6y?amp=1

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how many minutes will it take before DJT tweets some inflammatory shit to retake the spotlight


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Gail Collins and Nicholas Kristof are off today.


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ah yes, the ‘liar, liar, pants on fire’ defense

bullet-proof


So, there is a bit of an established pattern of this guy lying. Lied to Obama admin, lied to security clearance peeps, lied to Trump admin, lied o congressional investigators, lied to media, lied to FBI, lied to business partners, etc. If it was anyone other the Trump as the endgame, no one would believe a word this guy says.


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ah yes, the ‘liar, liar, pants on fire’ defense

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So, there is a bit of an established pattern of this guy lying. Lied to Obama admin, lied to security clearance peeps, lied to Trump admin, lied o congressional investigators, lied to media, lied to FBI, lied to business partners, etc. If it was anyone other the Trump as the endgame, no one would believe a word this guy says.

Except that prosecutors don't agree to a super lenient plea deal based on things a guilty person says that can't be backed up with other significant evidence.

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Russia didn't install a puppet leader on the US throne for christ's sake.


I think Russia's goals were far bigger than this. They wanted to sow distrust in our very institutions and undermine American democracy. They seem to be succeeding.


This was my concern back in May and I'd say eight months later they must be looking at the US and enjoying what their efforts have brought.

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The president is attacking China in response to a Fox News report which sources back to off-the-record South Korean government officials.


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