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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue June 19, 2018 2:48 am
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This was probably inevitable, some kind of event or crisis that was an inflection point for how the mushy middle of the country would view his presidency. There was bound to be some combination of the administration's inherent cruelty, incompetence and willingness to lie about everything in a way that is apparent to everyone. I'm sure his base will remain his base, but I think how the country reacts in the next week will be pretty telling for how things will be going forward.
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue June 19, 2018 10:19 am
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tragabigzanda wrote:
If not cages, then what? What does the US government do with the ~250 kids a day that are caught entering the country illegally along that border everyday? What about next week? Next year? Who pays for their food? Teaches them English? Provides them healthcare?
I totally agree cages are wrong and separating families of asylum seekers is wrong (and likely illegal), but what do we actually do here to help both the asylum seeker and the people here already in need?
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue June 19, 2018 12:16 pm
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E.H. Ruddock wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
If not cages, then what?
Umm... Maybe don't take them away from their parents?
And put them where?
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue June 19, 2018 1:05 pm
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Bi_3 wrote:
tragabigzanda wrote:
If not cages, then what? What does the US government do with the ~250 kids a day that are caught entering the country illegally along that border everyday? What about next week? Next year? Who pays for their food? Teaches them English? Provides them healthcare?
I totally agree cages are wrong and separating families of asylum seekers is wrong (and likely illegal), but what do we actually do here to help both the asylum seeker and the people here already in need?
You could start by not criminalizing everyone who is crossing the border which is causing the separations in the first place. You can do what they were doing before the Trump administration changed their approach, which numerous officials have already admitted is an attempt to deter border crossings, however much Nielsen tries to avoid even hinting at that.
Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue June 19, 2018 1:33 pm
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This immigration debate is important, but I don't want this to slip by.
"I am hereby directing the Department of Defense and Pentagon to immediately begin the process necessary to establish a space force as the sixth branch of the armed forces," Trump said during a meeting of the National Space Council.
Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue June 19, 2018 3:11 pm
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McParadigm wrote:
B_i inching dangerously close to the “This is a necessary evil” cliff.
The answer to "how do we address this concern" can't just be "not that". (It's 100% not chainlink cages.)
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