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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 23, 2019 11:21 am
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bune wrote:
and after all that, imagine what the next president will get away with. A maxim I once heard is that power never gives away power voluntarily.
Hence the fear of Socialism
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 23, 2019 2:33 pm
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dimejinky99 wrote:
The pee tape is real. We knew it. Know we know he knew it too
from the linked cnn.com article:
Quote:
There is no indication that such a tape exists and Trump has vehemently denied it. Rtskhiladze also told prosecutors that he was told the tapes were fake, but that he didn't convey that to Cohen.
Scott Balber, a lawyer for Crocus Group founder Aras Agalarov, said the allegation is "total nonsense." He added that Crocus Group does not have any compromising tapes.
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 23, 2019 2:51 pm
Misplaced My Sponge
Joined: Tue January 01, 2013 12:41 pm Posts: 5827
Bi_3 wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
The pee tape is real. We knew it. Know we know he knew it too
from the linked cnn.com article:
Quote:
There is no indication that such a tape exists and Trump has vehemently denied it. Rtskhiladze also told prosecutors that he was told the tapes were fake, but that he didn't convey that to Cohen.
Scott Balber, a lawyer for Crocus Group founder Aras Agalarov, said the allegation is "total nonsense." He added that Crocus Group does not have any compromising tapes.
do you really believe the lawyer for Crocus Group would be 100% truthful here? im not saying they do exists or they dont but i would hardly take their word on it
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 23, 2019 3:52 pm
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Joined: Wed April 20, 2016 7:11 pm Posts: 14268
Peeps wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
dimejinky99 wrote:
The pee tape is real. We knew it. Know we know he knew it too
from the linked cnn.com article:
Quote:
There is no indication that such a tape exists and Trump has vehemently denied it. Rtskhiladze also told prosecutors that he was told the tapes were fake, but that he didn't convey that to Cohen.
Scott Balber, a lawyer for Crocus Group founder Aras Agalarov, said the allegation is "total nonsense." He added that Crocus Group does not have any compromising tapes.
do you really believe the lawyer for Crocus Group would be 100% truthful here? im not saying they do exists or they dont but i would hardly take their word on it
I don't know either way, and that's the point. Trump is able to claim a big win here because rumors and speculation drove the collusion narrative for nearly two years and his team can leverage that to cast doubt onto the obstruction case. IMHO, every time the media does something like the tweet above and levies these... indirect implications (for lack of a better phrase), they are just proving Trump right that they cannot be trusted. Ensuring Trump does not get reelected is important and the key element of that is getting voters to defect from his camp by using facts, not salacious innuendo designed to drive ad revenue that he can use to reenforce his vast leftwing conspiracy line.
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 23, 2019 3:57 pm
Mind Your Tanners
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You forget that the only people truly in his camp don't give a fuck about facts, it's the nebulous "undecideds" that need to be catered to. And yeah those people need to see something strong and coherent about this.
I'm just pessimistic enough to know that's not going to come though.
Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Tue April 23, 2019 5:23 pm
NEVER STOP JAMMING!
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Bi_3 wrote:
Trump is able to claim a big win here because rumors and speculation drove the collusion narrative for nearly two years and his team can leverage that to cast doubt onto the obstruction case.
In the past week his polling has gone down, the number of people who believe he acted inappropriately or illegally has gone up (including among Republicans), his press secretary was revealed to have admitted making up information about the actions documented in the report, and voters almost universally believe that his AG misrepresented the report to protect him.
If there is a “winner” in all this it is the media. After suffering claims of “fake news” and “enemy of the people” for three years, the most striking thing about the Mueller report is that we already knew almost all of it. Time and time again the White House called their trustworthiness into question over reports we can now definitively say they knew were true. The report is a 400 page list of things that media got right.
Conservative messaging “news,” on the other hand, spent years humoring Seth Rich conspiracy claims that the report reveals were knowingly false at the moment they landed.
Quote:
IMHO, every time the media does something like the tweet above and levies these... indirect implications (for lack of a better phrase), they are just proving Trump right that they cannot be trusted.
When you say “the media levies indirect implications, and in doing so they prove trump right,” are you referring to the factually correct CNN summary of what’s in the report, or to the t-shirt-selling social media entity linked to here by a semi-coherent Silver Irish Fox?
Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Wed April 24, 2019 12:33 am
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Joined: Wed April 20, 2016 7:11 pm Posts: 14268
bune wrote:
You forget that the only people truly in his camp don't give a fuck about facts, it's the nebulous "undecideds" that need to be catered to. And yeah those people need to see something strong and coherent about this.
I'm just pessimistic enough to know that's not going to come though.
I’m not particularly optimistic about it either, but I think there is an opportunity for candidates willing to reach out to trump voters to bring them back into the world of the sane. That starts with dropping the attitude towards them and the ‘trump is Putin’s bitch’ bullshit and focusing on the facts of how unfit for office trump is. It can’t be both.
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Wed April 24, 2019 7:04 pm
AnalLog
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I'm glad that Apprentice: Presidential Edition has given Tom Arnold's career a new lease on life. I'm looking forward to what his character brings to the show next season!
Who would have thought a New York City billionaire would have brought us the white trashiest presidency in history?
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Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
Posted: Wed April 24, 2019 11:37 pm
what on earth am I talking about
Joined: Wed January 02, 2013 12:35 am Posts: 35492
McParadigm wrote:
Bi_3 wrote:
Trump is able to claim a big win here because rumors and speculation drove the collusion narrative for nearly two years and his team can leverage that to cast doubt onto the obstruction case.
In the past week his polling has gone down, the number of people who believe he acted inappropriately or illegally has gone up (including among Republicans), his press secretary was revealed to have admitted making up information about the actions documented in the report, and voters almost universally believe that his AG misrepresented the report to protect him.
If there is a “winner” in all this it is the media. After suffering claims of “fake news” and “enemy of the people” for three years, the most striking thing about the Mueller report is that we already knew almost all of it. Time and time again the White House called their trustworthiness into question over reports we can now definitively say they knew were true. The report is a 400 page list of things that media got right.
Conservative messaging “news,” on the other hand, spent years humoring Seth Rich conspiracy claims that the report reveals were knowingly false at the moment they landed.
Quote:
IMHO, every time the media does something like the tweet above and levies these... indirect implications (for lack of a better phrase), they are just proving Trump right that they cannot be trusted.
When you say “the media levies indirect implications, and in doing so they prove trump right,” are you referring to the factually correct CNN summary of what’s in the report, or to the t-shirt-selling social media entity linked to here by a semi-coherent Silver Irish Fox?
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