For me it's not that the tape will mean he's 100% out of office, it's more that it seemed like the most ludicrous part of the dossier. And it's now very likely accurate and hopefully not deniable.

That said, I also wonder if revealing it then strips Putin of all his blackmail powers and then Trump will be freed to make america great again, again.

If it's real it will be devastating. Although his hardcore supporters/Obama haters will shrug it off (and probably masturbate feverishly to it), independents and anyone with a modicum of respect left for the presidency will find it beyond the pale.

Im not convinced, truly. What is any different about what is in the video tape and anything else that has come out of his mouth? Im sure everyone assumes Trump has banged hookers before. he's had affairs with porn stars and countless women, grab them by the pussy, good people on both sides, praising dictators, and being generally uneducated.

Im not convinced a pee pee tape will change anything.

This.

“What can you do, thought Winston, against the lunatic who is more intelligent than yourself, who gives your arguments a fair hearing and then simply persists in his lunacy?”
― George Orwell, 1984

The pee tape has become a sort of primer topic. It is the wildest, most insane claim in that set of wild claims that is best publicly known as the Steele Dossier. Also, feelings of pride and shame are major factors in Trump’s appeal to certain subsets of his followers.

If it were to prove true, I think the following would as well:

1. There would be a 5-7% shift in the number of people believing all or any other claims about Trump. “If the weirdest story is true, then...” logic. From where he’s starting, that’s a disaster.

2. People who oppose or dislike him would feel that any conspiracy or extreme claim they have bought into is also vindicated, ramping the opposition factor up by more than you might consider possible.

3. He would see a further 2-3% erosion in his base, and a much larger disintegration in his base’s motivation. Also a catastrophe for him, and for the GOP.

Change happens very slowly, and then it happens all at once. The events that trigger that final leap can seem inconsequential, until suddenly they don’t. I think such an event is becoming unavoidable for Donald Trump, with many possible contenders, unless he finds a way to put a full stop to each and every one.

This is a great read, not too long:

youre assuming his fan base is capable of logic...

I get the feeling that most people assume he's been involved in some sort of pee sex thing at some point. I mean, what else does someone who lives like this do to get his rocks off?

Yes I know I sound like a person who just found the book but I just got to the part where he is given the opposition book and is reading about the 'truth' of Big Brother.

“So long as they (the Proles) continued to work and breed, their other activities were without importance. Left to themselves, like cattle turned loose upon the plains of Argentina, they had reverted to a style of life that appeared to be natural to them, a sort of ancestral pattern...Heavy physical work, the care of home and children, petty quarrels with neighbors, films, football, beer and above all, gambling filled up the horizon of their minds. To keep them in control was not difficult.”
― George Orwell, 1984

Seriously, was this the Republican playbook for the past decade or two?

So what happens legally now that Cohen has plead the fifth? Any good write-ups on next legal steps?

Wonder if he knows anyone who can pardon him.:.

But aren't the SDNY charges at the state level? Trump can't pardon those.

So apparently the items seized from his office are still possible evidence, he's just trying to stall on testifying to whatever they have found.

Nope, that's federal.

Dammit.

we'll solve this, if it means we'll be here all night, we'll solve it

who wants to order chinese food?

Wow. This thread really demonstrates how different the national attitude is from 3 years ago.