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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
PostPosted: Fri October 13, 2017 3:38 am 
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So much for healthcare.


I’m just a nihilist on all this shit anymore. Burn the whole fucking country down, IDGAF. This is what we all deserve, whether you voted for him or not. This is what America deserves for being a bunch of ignorant, self-centered fucktards.

This is dumb because a majority of the voting population didnt vote for this.

This comment above is a fuckign cop out.

America sucks on so many levels, i agree but...


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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
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McParadigm wrote:
So much for healthcare.

Why? you think his executive order is actually going to do anything? Or did i miss something?


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PostPosted: Fri October 13, 2017 4:30 am 
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Strat wrote:
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So much for healthcare.

Why? you think his executive order is actually going to do anything? Or did i miss something?


He's dropping the CSR's.

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President Trump will scrap subsidies to health insurance companies that help pay out-of-pocket costs of low-income people, the White House said late Thursday.


https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/12/us/p ... -news&_r=0

Are Republicans going to be okay with the insurance market going haywire?


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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
PostPosted: Fri October 13, 2017 5:00 am 
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The individual market was disrupted more than anything else. This effectively reverts a portion of that to the pre-ACA era.

For those not paying attention, the self employed were largely fucked by the ACA. This provides relief for them.


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PostPosted: Fri October 13, 2017 5:49 am 
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Strat wrote:
meatwad wrote:
McParadigm wrote:
So much for healthcare.


I’m just a nihilist on all this shit anymore. Burn the whole fucking country down, IDGAF. This is what we all deserve, whether you voted for him or not. This is what America deserves for being a bunch of ignorant, self-centered fucktards.

This is dumb because a majority of the voting population didnt vote for this.

This comment above is a fuckign cop out.

America sucks on so many levels, i agree but...


At this point there’s nothing more I can do than pull my hair out and drive myself crazy, and that’s not really going to change anything. He’s gonna do what he’s gonna do, and the only chance to change any of it is over a year away when midterms come around.

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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
PostPosted: Fri October 13, 2017 1:11 pm 
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For those not paying attention, the self employed were largely fucked by the ACA. This provides relief for them.

Self employed who earn more than 400% the poverty line (which would be $45k or so) and have no preexisting conditions, specifically. All three of those are required for ACA to not have benefitted you at all.

Now it's just all poor people with preexisting conditions who are fucked.

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McParadigm wrote:
simple schoolboy wrote:
For those not paying attention, the self employed were largely fucked by the ACA. This provides relief for them.

Self employed who earn more than 400% the poverty line (which would be $45k or so) and have no preexisting conditions, specifically. All three of those are required for ACA to not have benefitted you at all.

Now it's just all poor people with preexisting conditions who are fucked.

Will it make our premiums go up?


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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
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wease wrote:
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For those not paying attention, the self employed were largely fucked by the ACA. This provides relief for them.

Self employed who earn more than 400% the poverty line (which would be $45k or so) and have no preexisting conditions, specifically. All three of those are required for ACA to not have benefitted you at all.

Now it's just all poor people with preexisting conditions who are fucked.

Will it make our premiums go up?

I dont honestly know that this is something Trump can win, legally. But he'll withhold subsidies until it's decided, which will create a lot of flux in some state markets. Insurers might leave, some states might have to fund the difference and hope that the courts will make the fed pay them back. It's gonna be a real slophouse for a few years.

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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
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Mixed with the other order from yesterday, it could be enough time for red states that refuse to replace subsidies to see the ACA become untenable.

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This seems like an odd political move. Sure, Trump's base will stick with him, but he seems to assume that everyone will blame the Democrats for Obamacare premiums spiking, which always seemed dubious to me, as the Republicans currently run everything.


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WaPo, to summarize, wrote:
This is a about as forceful a blow as the president can deliver to Obamacare. And it will likely fulfill his own prophecy, that Obamacare is, indeed, failing.

Most health-policy experts agree that if these subsidies are taken away without a change in how much lower-income people pay for their health insurance, insurance markets would implode, forcing insurance companies to leave Obamacare exchanges, causing Obamacare itself to implode.

“It's an order of magnitude a larger assault on the integrity of the individual health insurance market,” said Paul Ginsburg, a health policy expert and director of the USC Brookings-Schaeffer Initiative.

Now, insurers can back out of the exchanges. If the individual insurance market collapses, the millions of Americans could lose their insurance and many others will see their premiums rise or even double.

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People are smart enough to realize and understand that Trump made Obamacare worse and failing? Right? Guys? People will realize it was Trump that fucked them over? right?please?


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So what was the over/under on Trump starting a Merry Christmas culture war?

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So what was the over/under on Trump starting a Merry Christmas culture war?

is that a new fangled term for thermonuclear war?

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 Post subject: Re: The 45th POTUS - Donald J. Trump
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Decertifying the Iran deal.

Today really is going to be one of those years.

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People are smart enough to realize and understand that Trump made Obamacare worse and failing? Right? Guys? People will realize it was Trump that fucked them over? right?please?


Yeah right.


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Meanwhile the troll farm has Death to America trending.



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